Talk:Puvunga

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[edit] Spring on site

It's good to have an article on this site, but I wonder why there are two different spellings.

I visited the site last year. I had heard there was a spring on the site but I only saw a pipe sticking out of the ground that looked like the spring had been capped. The fact that there is a natural spring that formerly flowed at the site could be mentioned.

I was very surprised that the Puvungna site does not seem to be well cared for while just nearby is a lavish Japanese garden (based on a culture that is not indigenous to the Long Beach area) which seems to have been invested with perhaps millions of dollars.

Also, the beautiful Kuruvungna Springs site at the grounds of University High School (Los Angeles, California) could be mentioned as well. Badagnani 04:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Both names appear about equally in web searches; "Puvunga" is the spelling on the National Register of Historic Places, while some local experts appear to use "Puvungna". I'm going to try and incorporate a couple of your other suggestions into the article. -- Engineer Bob 04:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

The "ngna" place name suffix doesn't have a consistent spelling, and the fact that for Tongva it is based on written transcriptions rather than a known pronunciation makes it more problematic. In "Reconstructed Tongva", it is generally "ngna": Puvungna, Torojoatgna, Toibingna, Kukamongna, Yangna. But most of the surviving place names are "nga": Topanga, Tujunga, Cucamonga, etc.--Curtis Clark 13:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I've added some further information; could expert local editors verify? There is some concern over the identification of the exact location of the site (which can, however, be found on the Internet); the historical designation protects the exact location of the site and, unlike the "improved" Kuruvungna site the Puvungna site is not officially protected, thus I'm not sure about giving its exactl location on campus. It's my impression that the Puvunga/Puvungna village site was quite large and that some other parts of the campus cover it now, but that the large grassy, partially tree-covered area near the parking lot is just a part of the original site.

Also, is it correct to say that the spring no longer flows because a pipe has "capped" it? Badagnani 05:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)