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[edit] How many units did this sell?

Anyone have the figures?

[edit] Glass Joe

When I was studying in France, I got to talking with some of my French friends about Punch Out. I made fun of them for having Glass Joe be French, to which they responded he was British! They were totally shocked at my statement.

Can anyone verify/ look into this claim. It would make sense that a French language version would make the worst fighter a different ethnicity. Thanks!


  • Hi, I'm French, I used to play Mike Tyson's Punch Out! all the time, and I'm 100% sure that Glass Joe was French even in the PAL version of the game that was available here. --Nico

[edit] Soda Popinkski

Can anyone verify that Soda Popinski was known as Vodka Drunkinski in the Japanese release? He was called that in the Arcade version, but I'm not sure about the Japanese version.--Dwedit 04:13, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I checked the Japanese version. He's Soda Popinski. --Menopause 14:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Confusion

The Mike Tyson page says this game came out in 1987. This page says 1986. Which is correct? --Feitclub 03:32, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

A quick search on Google said that the year 1987 is probably correct. I'm went ahead and changed it on this page also also on the Punch-Out!! arcade game page too. --TheDotGamer 05:20, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tyson Replacement

Can we verify that Mike Tyson was replaced by "Mr Dream" merely because the license expired? I always heard he was immediately pulled from the game following his rape trial. -- Feb 10, 2006

Hey there -- I had heard the same same, that it was due to Tyson's public image that the game was changed. Perhaps Nintendo's official word was that it was due to licensing, which was a nice way to avoid coming out and saying they have a video game named after an accused rapist. Either way, I'm eliminating the licensing reference from the article and currently just saying that the game was changed. It'd be great if someone could find a reference, one way or the other. --Ataricodfish 18:16, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Read "The Ultimate History of Video Games", it confirms that Tyson was removed because the contract he signed with Nintendo had expired. TJ Spyke 04:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, IIRC this decision was made before the rape accusations. --PSzalapski 22:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed "Other Appearances"

I removed the paragraph about Street Fighter being vaguely connected to Punch-Out. As Honda is a very common Japanese family name and M. Bison (Balrog in the U.S.) IS based on Mike Tyson but in no way that is connected to Punch-Out!!, I see no reason for that section to even exist. Jacquismo 00:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] YTMND

No one else thinks the whole NSMB thing from YTMND deserves a mention? --KingZog

I guess it does. As lame as it is, the phrase gets over 67,000 Google hits. Sarge Baldy 00:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Damn right, someone put it in quickly!
Sorry about spawning that meme :\ CheapAlert 17:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Power Punch II

Is there any actual evidence that PP2 was really intended to be a sequel to Punch-Out? It always struck me as a shoddily-made rip-off trying to cash in on Punch-Out's success, since it was not made by Nintendo (it was programmed by Beam Software, and published by American Softworks), and the "Punch-Out" name would have sold even without Tyson's involvement (as the SNES "Super Punch-Out!!" demonstrated). - 67.191.254.83 20:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

 I'm honestly not sure this is any better evidence than your personal "impression struck", but a quick check turned up [1]... And the game IS called "Power Punch '2'" - there's no "Power Punch 1".

[edit] Which version for the Wii Virtual Console?

Will Nintendo choose the Mr. Dream version, because the Mike Tyson license was expired; will they choose the Mike Tyson version, because the Mr. Dream version was a clone of one of the greatest video game titles in existance; or will both titles be added to the Wii's Virtual Console? Parrothead1983 21:56, 05 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Code

What is this access code that appears after ceratain paragraphs? --sin-man 11:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshot

I replaced the screenshot used in the article with one I captured myself. I believe it represents the subject material more accurately with a comparable resolution and smaller file size. If this causes any problems please let me know. Rg998 04:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HDTV lag rumor

I'm running this game via the Virtual Console on my HDTV and it works just fine. There isn't any lag with any Virtual Console games.

[edit] Move

I suggest moving this article to "Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream". Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! is indeed the original title, but this is the currently accepted title, as seen on the Wii Shop Channel. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The Wii shop channel has nothing to do with the name as it was released, which is what this article is about. No one who has ever played Mike Tyson's Punchout will ever refer to it as Punchout!! Featuring Mr. Dream. It's just a licensing issue, but we can't change the name of a game that existed 20 years after the fact. That's crazy.Angrymansr 13:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree the modern Wii game title is no where near as well known as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, which was one of the most popular and best selling games on the NES. This article is mainly in reference to the original NES version, so I will change it back to Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!pretzolio (talk) 23:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
They called it Featuring Mr. Dream because the NES game was changed to "Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream" long, long ago. Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream is equally notable besides not being the original, and Nintendo has clearly retconned. Look at Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy VI, and Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the Chosen - FFIV was originally Final Fantasy II, FFIV was originally Final Fantasy III, DQIV was originally Dragon Warrior IV. However, because of Nintendo's decision to replace this title, it is the new official title. Because it is also well-known, and because it is more official (as it is current). - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I know what you are trying to say, but Dragon Warrior / Dragon Quest has always maintained that confusing duality of names through-out its' history. It should also be noted that the original dragon warrior HAS NOT been changed to Dragon Quest on wikipedia even though Dquest is the "current" name for the series now. One major reason is that the vast majority of english video game players know the game as Dragon Warrior, just like the vast majority of the population know Punch-Out!! as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! Despite it's current name (which is due to licensing not chronological issue retconing like the FF series), it is not a modern game, the article is not in reference to the modern version (other than the one section that addresses the issue), it is an 8-Bit game and it is only on the Wii because of its huge popularity in the 80s as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!. It has also not been relabeled as 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream' for any significant length of time. The re-issue on the original NES was only labeled as 'Punch-Out!!' and naming it that on wikipedia would only serve confuse it with the original arcade version. Removing Tyson's significance in favour of Mr. Dream should not be taken lightly either as the he game would likely have no where near the notoriety with out Tyson's involvement. Wikipedia is not owned or operated by Nintendo, so the game should remain what it is best known as, sold the most copies as, and believe me the new title on the Wii is not what 99% percent of Punch-Out!! fans would refer to the game as.pretzolio (talk) 22:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
FFVI is not a modern game, and yet it was changed to that name because of the modern release of it.
And may I add that the Mike Tyson name was replaced on the NES originally, not the Wii? And Nintendo doesn't have to own Wikipedia for their word to be reliable. Their intentions are clear - the official title is now Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream, and has been for more than a decade.
And finally, the original DQ game is at DW because it was never released in the US as DQ. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes Tyson was replaced on the NES in the early 90s by Mr. Dream, but that game was NOT known as 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream' it was simply released as 'Punch-Out!!'; so I am not sure where you are getting the 10 year idea from. So even 'Punch-Out!! (Nes)' is a better and more recognizable name for the article than 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream'. The official title of the current game on the Wii may very well be 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream'. But the Punch-Out!! game referred to in most of the article is not the 'Wii' game, it is a NES game. The name on the enormous number of cartridges printed out there in the 80s and the name in the memories of the vast majority of players has not changed, it is Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!. Nintendo has not said that the game released in 1987 is/was called 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream', they cannot change the historical fact of what it was called and best known as. They only state that the version currently available on the Wii is called 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream'; but that version is not what the article in the most part is alluding to.pretzolio (talk) 06:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Um, hi? The VC game IS THE NES GAME. To state it bluntly: There is a 0% difference between the NES version of Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream for the NES and Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream on the VC.
And is there some reason that you're ignoring the massive precedence set by the DQ articles, FF articles, etc.? When a name is officially changed, the article reflects that. You can't establish that more people would know it, but I can clearly establish that anyone who's ever been to the Wii Shop Channel would know the title. The name "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!" would be only good for *drum roll* fans. AKA - people who this article wasn't created to cater to. It's catering to average people wanting to learn about the game. And I doubt a retired name from the 80's, a name which has never been used in a single Nintendo game in the history of time since, would be of help to them. The current title, and more recognizable title, is Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream. Can you supply any reason why Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! is helpful in any conceivable way to the average reader? - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
You can't prove that. If anything the game is better known as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! because that's what the NES game was released as first (unlike your Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest analogies). It should be changed back. Essembi (talk) 05:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Um? In every English region in the world, FFVI and DQIV were released as FFIII and DWIV. The difference is literally 0%. The original title is one which has not been used for more than a decade. There's no reason to believe it's more well-known, and the fact that it being released on the NES as Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream and the Wii after the Mike Tyson title was used combined with the fact that Nintendo re-releasing it under that title twice is them officially declaring it the official title of the game. Barring any sources as to which title is more well-known, it goes to which is more official. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, in every English region but the games were originally released in Japan first with the proper numbering or the different title and then changed to match their original names. That isn't the same here as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! came out first. You're also totally wrong on Nintendo re-releasing it twice under that title, when they re-released it on the NES it was simply called Punch-Out!! and not Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream. Essembi (talk) 14:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I guess GS is lying when they called the NES Punch-Out!! "Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream". - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah and if you look at the box on Gamestop you'd note that Mr. Dream isn't mentioned anywhere on the front, is not mentioned on the cartridge and is not mentioned on the start screen. It simply says Punch-Out!! Essembi (talk) 17:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
And that only means that they didn't write it on the box. It does NOT mean that it's not the real title for the NES re-release. Are you saying GameSpot is wrong? - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes. Regardless of who is right though the fact that the Mr. Dream name isn't mentioned on anything flies in the face of your "it's the more recognizable title" argument now doesn't it? Essembi (talk) 14:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I am back now and Essembi is right and GameSpot IS DEAD WRONG... The NES re-release from 1990 is and was known simply as 'Punch-Out!!' NO reference to the 'featuring Mr. Dream' title is made on the box, booklet, cartridge, or in the game itself and I know this for a fact as I own both versions for the NES. The NES re-release was NEVER titled as 'Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream'. As for what it is best known as, your statement that 'Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream' is "now a more well-known name" is simply ludicrous and has no backing. Even on your much heralded Gamespot.com, Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! is on a separate page from the Wii version and the NES 'Punch-Out!!' re-release and it is ranked much higher than the others. In fact Mike Tyson's Punch-Out! is ranked #4 for all NES games (More popular than Mario 2, Link, Tetris, Metroid, Mega Man, Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy), and the gamespot page has many more screenshots, videos, reviews than the others and therefore is obviously the definitive version of the game on the site. Other popular video game sites give similar results such as Moby Games (http://www.mobygames.com/game/nes/mike-tysons-punch-out), Game FAQS and IGN. These three sites by the way DO NOT list the NES re-release Punch-Out!! as 'Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream', it is just listed as 'Punch-Out!!' like myself and Essembi have stated. A google search for "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!" (in quotes) brings 129,000 results while "Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream" (in quotes) gives only 49,100 results. On You Tube the originals popularity is quite evident as only TWO videos come up when "Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream" (in quotes) is searched for, and 273 videos come up when you search for "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!" (in quotes). I have found on the internet that Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! alone has sold over 3 million copies, while the TOTAL of all Wii virtual console downloads is at 10 Million; so unless 'Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream' accounts for over 30% of all games ever downloaded on the virtual console then it is hardly more popular or more well-known under that name. All through-out the internet, in top 10 lists, top video game lists of all time, video game history articles, and through-out video game pop culture; the game is clearly and undeniabley more well known as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!... and after all this article is mainly in reference to the original and best known 80s version for the NES, the definitive Mike Tyson version.pretzolio (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Because that proves it's more well-known now, how? Why do you refuse to explain how non-fans are helped by the title "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!"?
Regardless, this is the preferred option. It refers to both versions of the game - Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! and Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream, which IS the official name for the altered version of the game according to the copyright holders and GameSpot - your stance basically requires that Nintendo of America and GameSpot are lying. Oh, and GameFAQs. And all the people who use the title.
And the article refers to the Mike Tyson version because of it being the original version, not because it's the "definitive" version. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Well we can agree to disagree on a lot of points, but I do agree with the compromise. Thanks. On a side note - Do you think that this video game version of Punch-Out!! is more relevant than the arcade Punch-Out!! in which typing in the word 'Punch-Out!! currently directs to? pretzolio (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd support a seperate page with all of the Punch-Out!! video games linked. Essembi (talk) 14:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad we've come to a conclusion to this. And to answer your question, I do believe that the arcade version is not anywhere near the notability of this game. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What should 'Punch-Out!!' link to?

Do you think that this video game version of Punch-Out!! is more relevant than the arcade Punch-Out!! in which typing in the word 'Punch-Out!! currently directs to? pretzolio (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Little Mac was recently confirmed as a useable item in Brawl.

As im not so good with the wiki stuff, i think this needs to get added —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.231.203 (talk) 15:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Bald Bull - The second encounter description

Not too good with wikis, but it currently reads: "Former Major Circuit champion, sporting a significantly improved constitution as he requires a star to be knocked down."

I know it's not a walkthrough, but obviously this is a bit misleading and might should be reworded:

"Former Major Circuit champion, sporting a significantly improved constitution as he requires a star to be knocked down when not countering his special attack, the Bull Charge." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.144.90.69 (talk) 23:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The whole section was fairly inappropriate. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)