Talk:Pulp magazine
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[edit] npov snobbism
In all of the literary articles, I detect a definate snobbism, which I would say should be considered bias. It's fine to point out that these attitudes exist, but I don't think that the article itself should reflect these attitudes. It needs to be more nuetral.
example: "A distinction can be made between an author who wrote for the pulps but later went on to transcend the limitations of the genre, and a "pulp author" who did not." This seems like it could be re-worded to remove appearance of 'snob bias.'
- I agree, epspecially since no actual distinction is made in the list of authors. I've removed that sentence entirely. --Tysto 18:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC) 2
[edit] Renaming proposal
I propose that we move this article to Pulp (magazine) or Pulp Fiction (magazine), this seems to be the naming convention for most magazine articles (for example: Vogue (magazine) or Dragon (magazine)).--– sampi (talk•contrib) 23:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Strongly disagree. In fact, the convention in Wikipedia is far from universal, and I have renamed plenty of articles to add (magazine). Unless a new standard has evolved, it is mainly used to identify magazines which are otherwise ambiguous e.g. to avoid the articles for Vogue, Dragon, and where "Magazine" is not a part of the actual title (compare Entrepreneur_Magazine, where it is a part of the title). In the same way that "(author)", "(musician)" etc. is added to a persons name only if there is more than one person shown. Examine Category:Science_fiction_magazines to see more examples of usage.
- I suspect the proposal may be based on a misunderstanding. This is not about a magazine called "Pulp" but a publishing category, magazines of the type called "pulp magazines" (though pulp is used as a popular contraction, it isn't the main term. Pulp fiction is a later term used to refer to the type of writing, not the magazines; I think the article needs fixing). Notinasnaid 23:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Graham Greene
The article lists Graham Greene as a pulp author. Somehow that doesn't seem right. Not mentioned in Graham Greene. I found this list of magazine appearances [1], and only one is a pulp: the rest are post-pulp or slicks. The only pulp appearance (Master Thriller Series #22 1938) is with an excerpt reprinted from a novel; a pulp choosing to reprint part of one of your novels doesn't really make you a pulp author. Removed. Notinasnaid 08:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image of LashLarue Western
The little research I've done suggests that "Lash LaRue Western" was a comic book. As such, the picture does not belong here (and wouldn't even qualify as fair use). If anyone has an image of a Western genre pulp such as Thrilling Western or one of the many others it would be suitable. But I am removing it. I note the comment in the history "It pertains to the text as Dime Westerns are mentioned as one of the genres of pulp". Actually, no, specifically not: it lists "westerns" and adds "(also see Dime Western),". For some actual western pulps see http://www.the-forum.com/books/western.htm. Notinasnaid 18:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yep, Ah plumb reckon yer raht, pardner. KarlBunker 23:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lesbian pulp fiction
I took that "see also" out simply because, though they may be the best idea since porn, books about lesbians have nothing to do with movies about gangsters. DoItAgain 02:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, strictly speaking you didn't take it out, but replaced it with a link to Pulp-magazine which leads back to the same article. I'm going to put it back, because pulp magazines aren't the same things as movies about gangsters. Pulps cover a very broad scope (science fiction, westerns, proto-porn, crime, war, adventure, romance...) Notinasnaid 07:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I added a "see also" for gay male pulp fiction, as a counterpart to lesbian pulp fiction. Both of these genres come from paperback books, not pulp magazines, but they both closely relate to the pulp writing style and the pulp fiction market--when the cheap paperback books mostly replaced the pulp magazines in the 1950s.Stanford Brown 01:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image
Why are you reverting it? There are no images on wikipedia that don't have that boarder, except things like equations or something. Stop doing it. Troubleshooter 19:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- To paraphrase Alex Trebek, please rephrase your demand in the form of a request. KarlBunker 19:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- See, that's fine :) Troubleshooter 16:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] a Question.
Do you folks think that it would be appropriate to include a paragraph detailing the nature of the film "Pulp Fiction" and its relevance to Pulp Fiction proper, within the context of this particular article? I am considering adding it.
- I think it would be better to add that to the film's article; I don't think it belongs here. Hundreds of magazines, tens of thousands of stories, many millions of words were published for decades; pulps influenced lots of things, which makes pulps relevant to those things, but doesn't mean that those things are relevant to pulps, if you see what I mean. Mentioning the film here is enough. -- Akb4 08:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC) (please sign your posts)
[edit] Cleanup
Among other things, could someone knowledgable in this field turn all those list into prose? Thanks - Time Immemorial 15:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- If you think the cleanup tag should remain on the article, please specify some other needed cleanups, because that one is flat-out misguided. The lists converted to prose would be insanely ugly and difficult to read. RedSpruce 17:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Passage About Interior Illustrations
This paragraph seems to have a demeaning tone to it, as if the illustrations were somehow inferior:
Later pulps began to feature a few interior illustrations, depicting elements of the stories. The drawings were printed in black ink on the same cream-colored paper used for the text, and had to use specific techniques to avoid blotting on the coarse texture of the cheap pulp. Thus, fine lines and heavy detail were usually not an option. Shading was by crosshatching or pointillism, and even that had to be limited and coarse. Usually the art was black lines on the paper's background, but Finlay and a few others did some work that was primarily white lines against large dark areas.
Until more sophisticated methods of half-toning and other photographic treatments became affordable for smaller-budgeted publishers, most "black-and-white" illustrations were executed with black ink, and either a brush or pen, utilizing the techniques of "pen and ink" drawing. Sometimes they were done with "block" or "linoleum" prints. Either technique consists of cross-hatching and/or stippling (aka pointillism) in order to create the illusion of shading or grey areas. Heavily detailed black and white illustrations are still not amenable to newsprint; it is not as if the art of black and white illustration for print is some sort of lower art form. Also, while Finlay and others did do some illustrations which were predominantly black, it was still black ink printed on the paper - it is extremely unlikely that any publication has ever printed with white ink, except as an experiment or a mistake.
Proclivities (talk) 22:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see the passage as demeaning to the artwork, but rather an honest discussion of the limitations of the medium. I also didn't read the mention of "white lines against large dark areas" as suggesting that white ink was used. The only part of the passage I question is the mention of "cream-colored paper". I've always assumed (though I don't know) that the paper was reasonably white when it was new, and has become yellowed with age. RedSpruce (talk) 01:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- I guess it struck me as demeaning, but upon re-reading it, I agree with your assessment; perhaps it was just the proximity of the word "cheap" in the passage. Proclivities (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Pulp Fiction redirects here..."
It doesn't redirect here anymore. Fractious Jell (talk) 19:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Phantom Detective 5-36.jpg
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