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Plot

what happened to the plot section ?? after cutting it down which was sort of necessary it was removed completely . what's that supposed to help ?? can anybody tell me why that was done and never changed?

First, please sign your comments. Second, I don't know. We have more on Quentin Terintino's use of toilets in this film than its actual plot... Someone really needs to fix that. 71.253.199.245 04:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Jules Winnfield

Who thinks Jules deserves an article of his own? I sure think he does, he's an awesome character.


I do. Go for it!!! 63.226.180.162 01:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree--66.237.11.10 00:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. JN322 15:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I made a legitimate article for this character and it just got deleted.

Agreed...repost the article

If the character of Vega warrants it's own article, then Winnfield clearly does as well 124.168.239.49 12:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Ezekial quote

Has anyone else noticed that the two "Ezekiel" passages quoted are exactly the same even though the article says that they're "slightly different"? Just surprising to me, someone should change that paragraph around.

They are slightly different, watch the film again and pay close attention. I did edit but to show how the passages are really said (they got it slightly wrong, but now I fixed it.)

No, I mean that the first one quoted in Pulp Fiction is EXACTLY the same as the one quoted in "Karate Kiba." There are no differences at all.

wikiproject Film template

I re-evaluated the template above, assigning a top class and require an attention. I think most film buffs would agree that Pulp Fiction is somewhat of a landmark film. Also it's become a centerpiece in many film analysis. And considering the state of the article, I think it requires an attention. Speculations abound on the meaning of some parts of the film and many are merely speculation that often creeps back into the article after removal. I think it needs somekind of a rewrite or at least an expansion.~ Feureau 14:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it does need a bit of expansion, but I would hesitate to call it a stub. It has the essential parts.--Agent Aquamarine 07:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't this page at Pulp Fiction?

A lot of symbolics which we can fine in this movie make it pretentious in that what it would be like to tell us .On the other way the group of people who can really understand this movie is relative small. Even older Heroin's addicts grown up on relation U.S.A - Europe can not to ketch up dadlly sniff and they are especially suspicious about injection of the Adrenalin straight to the hart ?? Maybe just in this part the creator of this peace wanted to tell us to much , almost everything.In the same time Vincent and Mia are prince and princes from the story , Romeo and Juliet in their forbidden love , dance of coca and heroin , dance of cosmopolite and local , old and new and the all these packed in a feel of uzaludnost what is the basic feel which this film take with it . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.244.194.63 (talk • contribs)

Right, so pulp fiction is a dab page linking here and to pulp magazine. How is that better than a top link on this page? Right now pulp magazine gets a one-line link on the dab page. It gets a one-line link here, too. Anyone searching for the magazine type instead of the movie has to make an extra click either way. Someone looking for the movie has to go through the dab page when there is no other article by that name. Doesn't make sense to me. -Anþony 12:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see the archived discussions at Talk:Pulp_Fiction_(film)/archive#Move_article and Talk:Pulp_Fiction_(film)/archive#Title and the discussion at Talk:Pulp_fiction. --duncan 21:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I saw Talk:Pulp fiction, but I missed the archive here. It seems a lot of this is based on some poorly chosen wording in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films):
Where a film or book title is unique or virtually unique, let the title of the article be the same as the title of the film. But where it is the same as a subject in science, a novel, or whatever, unless the film title is far and away the most common accepted meaning of the word or phrase, title the film article like this: Film Title (film).
That seems to imply that the title should be dabbed if there is another topic of the same name, even if that topic does not have an article on Wikipedia, such as in this case. I don't believe that's entirely appropriate. Also, the RM discussion did not address my earlier point: adding the two-item dab page doesn't make pulp magazine any easier to find, but it does make this article harder to find. -Anþony 22:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I've tried to start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (films)#Pre-disambiguation of film titles to change the wording in the guideline. Your input is appreciated. -Anþony 02:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I understand the thought behind using a disambiguation page, but it seems in this case pointless, seeing as there's a disambiguation link at the top of the article and I'm guessing that 95% of the people who search for "pulp fiction" without the capitals want the movie. If you're looking for "pulp magazine", you probably wouldn't search for "pulp fiction", at least not without expecting to see the movie first. It seems silly to me. Butterboy 20:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Information, not analysis

There used to be a large amount of interesting analysis of this movie including motifs, themes, and such. I was inquiring as to why it was deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nebben4 (talk • contribs)

me too. Goddamnit, there's always a lot of interesting things on Wikipedia that you learn from, and when you go back to see them some old stuffed shirt has taken them out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.50.101 (talk • contribs)
Encyclopedias do not exist for the purpose of analysis and interpretation; they exist to diseminate information. Offering analysis and interpretation of a film, book, individual, etc., would be a violation of Wikipedia's rules against POV-pushing and OR. And, Mr. Anonymous User who has made no contribution whatsoever, you can call us "old stuffed shirts" if you like, but some of us are actually devoted to creating a decent encyclopedia. ---Charles 15:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

"Royale with cheese"?

I've never been to Paris, but I've been to Montreal, where, despite using the metric system, they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese exactly that: "Un Quarte de livre avec fromage." -- Pacholeknbnj, 3:49 PM EST, February 27, 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.228.37.21 (talk) 20:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

That's because although Canada offically uses the metric system, most people are pretty common with the imperial system. --Ted87 22:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

In France (at least in the McDonalds in Canet-Plage and Coquelles) they're called "Royal Cheese"...81.168.40.167 13:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

"Medieval" quote

...is never, ever, going to amount to more than a stub, so let's merge it here, shall we? Her Pegship (tis herself) 05:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Support. Has no significance whatsoever --Ted87 20:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely support. No reason for that to be a separate article. ---Charles 03:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Support per above --Merbabu 11:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Support per above--Manwithbrisk 23:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

OGG Files

I have miserlou, royale with cheese, and Ezekiel 25:17 in mp3. I can email them to someone if they know how to convert them for use with wikipedia. Or if someone could tell me how to do it myself that would also be appreciated. Andman8 17:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

While I'm not equipped to assist with this, I still want to comment and urge caution. I can see the point of having a short sample of Dick Dale's Miserlou on Wikipedia, on the Pulp Fiction (soundtrack) page, maybe on this article and for sure on the "Miserlou" article, but samples of the dialogue "Royale With Cheese" and "Ezekiel" wouldn't be long enough to be useful. If the entire audio passages were here, it would replace the market role of the film and the soundtrack album and be a copyright vio, pure and simple. — WiseKwai 17:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
i can see how royale with cheese and 25:17 would be copyvio but miserlou would still be a good edition. Is there a page telling you how to make ogg files?Andman8 17:44, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
There is Wikipedia:Media. Also, check out Wikipedia:Music samples, which describes how long audio samples of copyrighted material can be. — WiseKwai 17:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

In an effort to kill the trivia section I want to know if anyone thinks the continuity errors are encyclopedic or important. Some are quite minor, as in a cigarette changing hands, but others are slightly more important. In the end I don't think any of them are important enough to warrant mention. Yea or nay?--Supernumerary 01:27, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Yea to you... Remove them (unless you find something totally notable... or at least important enough to mention). Cbrown1023 01:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes. Remove them. --GHcool 03:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
the only important continuity is the four bullet holes in the wall before the shooting but I think that can be incorporated into the production section. Andman8 04:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
The other one that was borderline was the extra bullet that is used to kill the guy coming out of the bathroom in the apartment.--Supernumerary 23:46, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

"When Butch decides to help Marsellus, he passes a wall with Tennessee license plates. Butch previously mentions on the phone with his brother that he is from Tennessee and is planning to return. He remembers his father's ordeal in Vietnam and how men are supposed to help each other in tough situations." This quote sounds like analysis that might be mentioned elsewhere. If we find a source it can be added back in.--Supernumerary 05:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Great job getting rid of the trivia. The one bit about Samuel L. Jackson's character possibly being in Kill Bill is pure speculation, though. I think I'll remove it. His Kill Bill character, Rufus, was much older than Jules would have been in the Taratinoverse, though admittedly it's hard to pin down exact dates and decades when it comes to Taratino movies. However, he says he played with Rufus Thomas, Archie Bell and Drells, the Drifters, etc. "If they came through Texas, I played with them," he says, putting the character in Texas probably sometime during the R&B heyday of the 1960s. — WiseKwai 15:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

leave it for now, there are bigger fish to fry. the "other production details" is the same as "trivia" just with more lipstick slathered on. look at Psycho (1960 film) or Alien (film) or any other nicely constructed production section to see how bad pulp's currently is. The three parts (briefcase,homage,25:17) are nice but much less important than the script, shooting, etc.

  • Pulp Fiction (Bfi Modern Classics Distributed for the British Film Institute)
  • Quentin Tarantino: The Cinema of Cool
  • Raised by Wolves: The Turbulent Art and Times of Quentin Tarantino

these would all be great hard copy sources we could use Andman8 17:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that continuity errors (of sorts) are quite important in Pulp Fiction, as some of them seem to have been fabricated into the film intentionally (remember that it is called Pulp Fiction), e.g. when the Wolfe is shown for the first time, he is seen wearing a smoking and appears to be at some sort of party, however, it cannot be later than lunchtime (given that Vincent and Jules raided the flat early morning). I am sure there are more of these, and they are definetly worth mentioning. 82.10.178.69 17:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Wolfe is hosting an all night poker party My names Rubberchix And I eat Buttons 20:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Structure

This article could benefit from a restructuring. I really don't see why the cast is ahead of the plot (but am willing to leave it there for the moment to see what might come of it). I think that we could collapse the "Themes" and "Analysis" sections into one. "Impact" could be moved into "Reception." "Homage as style" is a toss up. I don't think it merits its own section, but am willing to be persuaded as Tarantino has been known to load down his films with an excessive amount of allusions and homages. If it stays fairly small it can be moved into "Production." It might also be a good idea to wikilink to the appropriate section on Tarantino's article that discusses his style.--Supernumerary 04:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

"analysis" is a bad title for a subsection and the info should be moved to a new part of the article. the themes and impact sections are important though as they appear in nearly all FAs. Andman8 04:21, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like to see the homages and other bits, like the Ezekial section, kept in the article but being grouped under "Production", and being under yet another subsection of that called "Origins". What does anyone think about that? — WiseKwai 08:05, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Cast

The cast section needs to not reiterate the plot like it does now but talk about the characters ideals and or how the role changed the actor's career. Andman8 04:47, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

So it should be more of a casting/life after the film deal?--Supernumerary 23:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I think so. The Blade Runner article seems to focus on the actors and avoid the plot or describe the ethos/logos/pathos of character. Andman8 01:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Plot Length

I did some work on the plot, cutting it down to 2,131 words from 2,592 words. This is not that much of an improvement since the guidelines state, "Plot summaries should be between 400 and 700 words (about 600 words), but should not exceed 900 words unless there is a specific reasons such as a complicated plot." I'll say that the plot qualifies as complicated, but I don't know if it should be over say 1,500 words. Any ideas on what could be condensed?--Supernumerary 00:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The plot says that Marvin is an informant for Marsellus, but the cast says that Marvin is just a thief. Which is right?--Supernumerary 00:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Marvin was the inside man in the briefcase deal. Jules and Vincent were upset that Marvin didn't warn them about the guy in the bathroom with the "hand cannon". And after the deal was done, Marvin rides away with Jules and Vincent, but is then accidentally shot, and Jules and Vincent are disappointed. I hope that makes sense. — WiseKwai 19:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
It does. Thanks!--Supernumerary 19:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Plot down to 1540 words, can it really be brought lower?

I don't think the plot can really be brought down to any fewer words because a lot of the plot is in the details.

I don't think we can really ask for more. It's as short as it's going to get except for the few words that tweaking and revising will take out, but we're at the point of diminishing returns.--Supernumerary 02:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately it seems the recent Plot deletions were made on a much older version of the article, undoing many edits to its body size, grammar, and punctuation since then. After undoing this effective revert and combining the deletions made, the section is now ~1200 including the introductory paragraphs. However I believe that style guidelines would have us combine or move the majority of those introductory paragraphs into the lead paragraphs of the article, allowing us to cut the plot to an ideal 900 word max for a complex, pseudo-anthology film such as this.--Hondo 09:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I apologize, I added some details to the plot summary before reading about the attempts to shorten it. I still feel that the details I added are important, but feel free to delete them if you feel it makes the section too long. Chocaholic 22:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Dubious

Even though it's on IMDB, I still do not believe this: "When the film was initially released in the United Arab Emirates, local distributors thought they had received a "mixed-up" copy of the film, so they recut the entire film, placing it in chronological order." I'm going to remove it until a source can be found for it. I personally don't see how someone wouldn't just call someone else and sort it out before recutting the film.--Supernumerary 05:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I remember reading something about this somewhere, possibly on one of the pop-up trivia nuggets on the DVD. I'll give it another watch and see if anything comes up. — WiseKwai 15:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Noir/ neo noir

I've made a minor edit, linking the non-linear structure to neo-noir (noir) conventions. Although the Homage as Style section mentions the relationship between the movie and gangster films, there is much material out there to warrant inclusion here of a small section on the film's neo noir credentials with sources. I'd be happy to write this if required. :) High Heels on Wet Pavement 18:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Please do.--Supernumerary 23:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Will do it this weekend-- have been busy since I wrote this but I didn't forget. When I've written it, I'd like to have it checked over by someone on the team for appropriateness to the site... if possible. thanks. :) High Heels on Wet Pavement 19:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC) hmmm.... now I'm weighing up neo-noir v postmodern noir... referring to textual sources. any thoughts appreciated in meantime High Heels on Wet Pavement 21:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Kiss Me Deadly?

The glowing briefcase is an intentional echo of the 1955 film noir Kiss Me Deadly, in which a briefcase glows from its nuclear contents. When Tarantino learned of the similarity, he said it was purely accidental but that he liked the idea.

"Intentional" or "purely accidental" - which is it? The two are mutually exclusive.

Shot To The Heart

I've removed the line:

The specific shot in which Vincent injects the adrenaline into Mia was filmed backwards.

This is wrong - to quote from an interview with Greg Nicotero - one of the SFX guys for Pulp, in Ultraviolent Movies: From Sam Peckinpah to Quentin Tarantino (Laurent Bouzereau, 2000), regarding the scene in question:

In our meeting I said we should do a reverse shot where you take the syringe without the needle and you put it on Uma's chest and you yell, "Action!" and you pull it away. Then you reverse the shot and you get an incredible blow and impact. But that was never shot" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lawfulhippo (talk • contribs) 11:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Spike Lee criticism

Spike Lee heavily criticised Tarantino for being a white guy using the N-word so much in this film. Jackson came to his defense. Surely this should be mentioned within the article. RoyBatty42 18:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Structure

The Structure section lists the Gold Watch sequence as being first chronologically, which is true if it means Christopher Walken talking to Butch, however the entire subplot with Butch retrieving the watch can't be lumped together with this sequence as Vincent dies during it, making it obviously last to occur. Eightball 18:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


Some Thoughts

I just finished making a bunch of edits and I have some thoughts as to how to improve the page further.

- The opening paragraph before the table of contents is pretty long and includes some information that either already exists elsewhere or would be better placed elsewhere. The second paragraph about the non-linear structure is repeated many times in the rest of the article, and the bit about the movie being based on pulp fiction strikes me as vague and probably untrue. Also, the third paragraph is pretty much the same as the opening paragraph of the cast section, so one of them should probably go.

- The bulk of the edits that I made were on the plot summary, which had some poorly written pieces and some incorrect details. However, I think it could be pared down massively; in some of the sections it is describing the movie scene-by-scene and even shot-by-shot. I don't think it would be too difficult to get it within the suggested guidelines.

- The whole characters section seems unnecessary, it mostly repeats stuff already said in the plot section. Same with the structure section.

- The homage as style section has a paragraph about Tarantino's made up brands, which doesn't seem like it fits under the definition of homage. Also, perhaps somebody in the know could explain exactly what significance, if any, the setting of the clocks to 4:20 has to drug culture. More generally, I think that of the sections explaining various parts of the movie (homage as style, briefcase, bible passage, etc.) could be compressed and combined into one section called "Analysis," or something. I saw that another user didn't like that idea because it goes against the neutral-POV rule, but I don't think that necessarily has to. The shot through the heart section, the bible passage section, and the briefcase section are all purely informational, and the toilet motif isn't really analysis so much as observation, it doesn't seem like its meaning could be debated. The redemption and conversion section is certainly a matter of opinion, but I feel like a lot of critics have pointed this out and it should he mentioned. Maybe analysis is a bad name for it, I just can't think of a better one . . .

- A lot of stuff is mentioned many times throughout the article, particularly the bit about non-linear structure. I think that one mention of the wierd structure, either in the opening paragraph or in the "analysis paragraph," plus the listing of the true chronological order of the stories.

- Throughout the plot section, lines of dialogue are quoted, probably because it is so good and people couldn't resist putting them in (including me). I propose that we create a quotations section, like on the Casablanca page, and remove the quotes from the plot section. This would also help with making the plot section less detail oriented.

Finally, I may have gone overboard with some of my edits, but the majority of them I think were mainly good. If you feel like you have to revert it, please try to do it manually to just the parts that you liked better the old way, as opposed to the whole edit, because I spent a lot of time on this and I would really hate to see it go to waste.

Please tell me if you think my suggestions are good; if people are in agreement I would be willing to do most or all of the changes myself.

Chocaholic 04:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Correction about Jodi's Piercings

I would like to respectfully submit a correction for the information about the character Jodi, played by Rosanna Arquette. She is listed here as having sixteen piercings. This is, in fact, what it says in the script (found at IMDb.com and elsewhere). But in the film itself, she actually says she has seventeen. Specifically, "Five in each ear, one in the nipple of my left breast, two in my right nostril, my lip, my eyebrow, my clit. And I wear a stud in my tongue." The script says only one in her right nostril. I found a still from the film that clearly shows two piercings in her right nostril, but attempting to create a link to the photo failed. If you would like to view the still, I found it by searching Yahoo images using the terms "Rosanna Arquette Pulp Fiction". I did not want to edit the page itself without being able to link to a creditable source (besides which, I'm brand new here and totally unsure of what I'm doing), and every script available online has Jodi saying she has sixteen piercings. If there's anyone here who can help validate my correction, I'd appreciate it. I realize having seen the movie ten or more times doesn't quite cut it as creditable proof, but I cannot get my link to work. Can anyone back me up?Traceracer-X 12:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Different redirects

There is a problem with redirects. Pulp Fiction (film) is redirected to Pulp Fiction while Talk:Pulp Fiction is redirected to Talk:Pulp Fiction (film). Can someone figure out which redirect should be used and then correct this mess? --Crzycheetah 08:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Move requested. Chris Cunningham 15:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Moved. Chris Cunningham 08:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I think you moved the wrong page? The film should be at Pulp Fiction (Film) wasn't it? from the talk archive: [1].~ Feureau E.S.P. 07:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
The current title (in title case) is unambiguous. Non-archived talk seems to favour the current title. Chris Cunningham 08:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

"That's how you're going to beat 'em, Butch"

There is a fact tag next to this quote in the article, but I'm not sure as to why. I can confirm on the regular DVD edition, this quote is said at around the 1h 34m mark. JRHorse 01:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Plot section

Argh. This is now insane. I'm going to hack at this mercilessly until it barely needs a spoiler tag. It's almost as long as the film itself right now. Chris Cunningham 15:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I've killed the whole section. This isn't a novelisation project. The article should focus on analysis and reception, not in describing the entire plot with a running commentary. Chris Cunningham 14:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, but you missed a paragraph. I'll kill it. The problem is now that there is a section called Plot with absolutely no plot in it, just a limited analysis.--Fizbin 00:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks :) I think the new focus on analysis rather than narration should be good for the article. Chris Cunningham 08:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Butch-Bathroom Submachine Gun?

The article says it is a MAC-10, but provides no source for that statement. The gun looks like it is a smaller MAC-11. Does anyone have any info on this? SirBob42 12:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

It's DEFINATELY not a MAC-10, the gun is too large to be one. I'd say it's more along the lines of a MAC-11. ♥♥ ΜÏΠЄSΓRΘΠ€ ♥♥ slurp me! 21:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
It really looks like a MAC-10 to me, and the IMFDb agrees. MAC-11s have wire frame folding stocks, MAC-10s have more substantial stamped steel folding stocks - from the still on the IMFDb it looks like a MAC-10. Crserrano 21:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Either way, it is the exact model number really relevant to this article? Would the movie be different if he had an Uzi instead? It's better to just say 'gun' or 'sub machine gun'. Model numbers is trivia. Ashmoo 09:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
It's relevant that Snake Pliskin, from Escape From New York, uses the same model machine gun. Obviously Tarantino is a Pliskin fan. WikiTracker 14:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Dumb and Dumber

Really, there is more homage to this film than all the others put together. Watch it if you dont beleive me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.163.65.186 (talk) 03:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

I'm guessing that you're a troll, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are just ignorant. Dumb & Dumber was released two months after Pulp Fiction. It would be really hard to reference a movie that hadn't come out yet. SirBob42 20:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Wrong. Dumb and Dumber came out in late 1994. Pulp Fiction was early 1995.

Pulp Fiction, Dumb & Dumber Compare the release dates. Then, sign your comments. SirBob42 05:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I have heard from John Travolta's pool boy in law that Quentie-poo deliberatlyly made fun of the peple who like him by homoagaing Dumb and Dumber.172.172.239.122 02:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC) PROFIT OF POLING!!

Out of logic, please consider firstly that because two films are released at different times hardly means that one has paid homage to the other; Pulp Fiction began filming in early 1993 as per dvd-extras and, it's likely that there was no discernible crossover due to the fact that it's very unlikely that the films were produced asynchronously and released to pay homage to one another. I'm sure that for some, it seems like there is some crossover, but then there are very similar elements in many films, due to the fact that toilets are generally pretty much the same in similar situations.
Consider also Quentin's style; in his films, and indeed in real life, he is a film fanatic and is overly verbose. I'm SURE that if there were some "homage", he surely would note it, as again, in the DVD-extras, he refers back to other films that were released in the early 1990's -- "All these films where young kids are filming each-other with video cameras" with reference to an unused scene with Vincent Vega and Mia Wallace filming him in an interview style. Similarly, he also refers several times to "Intruder" and numerous other films which he DIRECTLY gives homage to and TELLS us.
Finally, at the time of filming and then at release, Tarantino also notes "I thought that someone would just get up and say.. "get the fuck out of here", but ... told me to calm down and he'd support me;". Now, let's note this -- at the time, Quentin was known for reservoir dogs, but still somewhat unknown in celebrity terms; IMDB says that he appeared in one film between the two in a somewhat minor role as a voice over (The Coriolis Effect (1994) (voice) .... Panhandle Slim... aka Kisses in the Dark (USA: video compilation title)) and it's likely that he wasn't really chumming it up with Peter Farrelly as he was literally unknown as a writer on Seinfeld in 1992, and it's VERY unlikely he'd be looking for comedy scripts, which he would then read, THEN give homage to. It's unlikely also, that he would RECIEVE them, as he was well known for being a "lover of violent films". To give homage to something, generally you accredit it.
I'm sorry for the lengthy repost, but i'm really quite fed up with this nonsense. The repeated vandalism that followed my reversion of his edits is proof positive that it's likely he's trolling. ♥♥ ΜÏΠЄSΓRΘΠ€ ♥♥ slurp me! 21:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

This entry misses the main thrust of the movie

It's described in the first paragraph as a 'essentially a black comedy with lots of pulp culture references' (a discription that fits Scary Movie better) and then later there's some GCSE level analysis of 'redemption' being the main theme. Redemption is hardly enough to constitute a theme. Redemption by what means? Redemption FROM what? Most professional critical analysis of Pulp Fiction, such as the essays included on the special edition DVD or with the published screenplay, recognizes the role of 'pulp fiction' or pop culture points of reference in modern amorality as the main theme, what the film is 'about.' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.195.48.81 (talk) 19:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

I actually agree. Would you be able to suggest changes? ♥♥ ΜÏΠЄSΓRΘΠ€ ♥♥ slurp me! 21:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The discussions of the references/homages, and of the plot events, seem to be taking place in a vacuum; they should be informed by the same main theme. I suggest writing a succinct overview of what the movie is 'about,' with reference to published rewiews/critiques. It wouldn't need to be extensive, but i think it would be far more useful to the reader than detailed but dispirate explorations of plot elements and filming techniques.

Spoiler warning

Tha article needs one. 218.186.9.1 02:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

does any one want the soundtrack to be included with this?

Media:http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/7/10/122258/Pulp Fiction Soundtrack - Opening Theme.mp3 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.154.67.163 (talk) 10:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

Who moved this?

This was just listed as an uncontroversial move and shifted to a disambig page (breaking the archive link yet again), apparently based on an ancient piece of discussion. Before I waste time getting this moved back, can we agree that this doesn't need to be disambiguated? Gah. Chris Cunningham 15:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree; the disambig page actually just lists "Pulp Fiction" and any derivative works. If there aren't DIFFERENT applications (other titles, other uses) then there shouldn't be one, seen as the soundtrack is based off the same film. ♥♥ ΜÏΠЄSΓRΘΠ€ ♥♥ slurp me! 22:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I asked for the move and removed both disambig from Pulp fiction and Pulp Fiction (film) and the archive link is now fixed. This is per the move concensus you can find at the first archive. Also, I think the soundtrack should be merged into this article seeing there isn't much content on the soundtrack article itself and it's not that notable as a sountrack album. - Time Immemorial 13:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I've explained on the soundtrack talk page exactly why the article should not be merged, and I've provided new, sourced content on talk to expand the article. —Viriditas | Talk 14:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

This article has turned to shit; revert to older revision, delete soundtrack article

Whoever started the article move has definitely had a detrimental effect on the article's quality.. it's gone horrendous. Wh o agrees that it should be reverted? ♥♥ ΜÏΠЄSΓRΘΠ€ ♥♥ slurp me! 07:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Note -- Please re-add referenced material into this form, the other one was extremely messy and just made the article look very, very bad. ♥♥ ΜÏΠЄSΓRΘΠ€ ♥♥ slurp me! 07:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, can you add a link to the diff in the page revision history that you want to revert back to so we can see it? —Viriditas | Talk 12:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)#
Hi; sorry, it's been resolved now. Thanks a lot :-) ♥♥ ΜÏΠЄSΓRΘΠ€ ♥♥ slurp me! 14:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I hope I didn't dash your hopes with my latest restoration of deleted content. —Viriditas | Talk 20:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Hehe, i've not actually contributed content to this article; just reverted and de-vandalised :-( ♥♥ ΜÏΠЄSΓRΘΠ€ ♥♥ slurp me! 20:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Reversion of "Trivia" re-creation.

Please refrain from adding a trivia section until the article has undergone it's restructuring and referencing. Although it's correct, it paves way for more and more trivia to be created and should generally be discouraged. ♥♥ ΜÏΠЄSΓRΘΠ€ ♥♥ slurp me! 17:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with this. —Viriditas | Talk 20:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Reinvigorating carreer?

While PF has been credited as reinvigorating the career of John Travolta, this paragraph seems to take it over the edge and sounds like OR or Speculation. I think it should be moved here and improved then when we have concensus, merge it back to the article.

The film had a significant impact on the careers of many of its cast members. It provided a breakthrough role for Samuel L. Jackson, who became an international star in a part Tarantino wrote especially for him.[1] It revived the fortunes of John Travolta, whose career was slumping at the time; Bruce Willis was able to move away from his typecasting as the action hero; and it raised the profile of Uma Thurman and led to greater recognition for character actors such as Ving Rhames and Eric Stoltz.

- Time Immemorial 05:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Meh. It needs more sourcing, but it establishes the film's notability. The last line is probably superfluous to requirements. Chris Cunningham 10:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)