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Where's the gayest spot in America...and possibly the entire world?
Today, cities in the United States are being ranked by what's called a gay-index. The number is based on a scale of 100 (100 being the national average). Therefore, if your city has a gay index of 63, then it is considered 37% below the national average. Likewise, a city with a gay-index of 190 is 90% higher than the national average.
To give you an idea of where todays gays & lesbians are residing in America, the following cities in the WEST are listed below.
West:
720 - Palm Springs, CA
479 - San Francisco, CA
341 - Seattle, WA
239 - Portland, OR
216 - Denver, CO
201 - Santa Fe, NM
193 - Salt Lake City, UT
186 - San Diego, CA
168 - Los Angeles, CA
159 - Pheonix, AZ
123 - Las Vegas, NV
99 - Honolulu, HI
78 - Colorado Springs, CO
47 - Cheyenne, WY
Yes America, Palm Springs CA has quickly grown to be a center for gays & lesbians in CA. This doesn't mean that Palm Springs has the MOST gay/lesbian people...it just means that, per capita, Palm Springs wins by ratio of men:men and/or women:women households. San Francisco is still heavily populated. Being the party town it is, you'd think that Vegas would attract a more alternative lifestyle. Nope. Colorado Springs surprises me too. Only an hour or so away from Denver and it's second to last on our list of cities in the west.
- Colorado Springs does not surprise me. It's home to the headquarters of Focus on the Family, who I have heard have quite a considerable influence in the town. If I wanted to move to Colorado, I know I would stay away from CS. Palm Springs doesn't surprise me either, it's home to the White Party. --Node 10:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Moving on to the Midwest. The only state gays & lesbians seem to be thriving and surviving in our Bible Belt is TX. Comparatively speaking, living in the Midwest is about "average" for the United states. Notice that our #2 Dallas (196) in the midwest is comparable to living in Salt Lake City (193), #6 in the West.
Midwest:
287 - Minneaoplis, MN
196 - Dallas, TX
169 - Austin, TX
157 - Chicago, IL
156 - St. Louis, MO
150 - Houston, TX
145 - Kansas City, MO
108 - Milwaukee, WI
108 - Des Moines, IA
103 - Oklahoma City, OK
100 - San Antonio, TX
87 - Wichita, KS
86 - Springfield, MO
80 - Omaha, NE
Making our way North East, we have the majority of the gay & lesbian community flocking to the coast - the far north east coast at that. Notice that here, we see Provincetown (a.k.a. "P-Town") with the highest gay index of any U.S. city. Boston, Portland (Maine), and Washington D.C. all have relatively high indexes as well.
North East:
2272 - Provincetown, MA
263 - Washington, D.C.
233 - Boston, MA
225 - Portland, ME
152 - Columbus, OH
152 - New York, NY
138 - Hartford, CT
130 - Philadelphia, PA
127 - Newark, NJ
120 - Norfolk, VA
114 - Pittsburg, PA
107 - Charleston, WV
97 - Buffalo, NY
92 - Detroit, MI
Like the Midwest, the NE was pretty sparse - except for a few hot-spots. Finally, the deep south contains several cities many gays & lesbians call home.
South:
553 - Key West, FL
368 - Ft. Lauderdale, FL
300 - Atlanta, GA
211 - Orlando, FL
167 - New Orleans, LA
154 - Miami, FL
135 - Birmingham, AL
126 - Louisville, KY
125 - Nashville, TN
107 - Little Rock, AR
91 - Jackson, MS
90 - Mobile, AL
This information has been compiled and is available at http://www.epodunk.com.
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[edit] NPOV
I don't like the general tone, seems much hyping involved, and a monolithic viewpoint of gays as a "community." It should be re-written as to mention the gay component, but not the rah-rah extreme currently in the article. Many gays don't think highly of P-Town, you know, due to its assocations with rampant sex and drug abuse.
- MSTCrow 16:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm not sure if "most gays don't think highly ofP-town." I bet most gays in the US don't have much opinion about P-town. It's of course very well known in the New York/Boston corridor, and also elswhere among people who travel quite a lot, but even world-traveling gays in Chicago often know very little about the place. In other smaller cities, even fewer people will have a feeling one way or the other. Interlingua 03:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Ummm... listen. I think the real problem that you have is with your own personal definition of the phrase 'gay community'. Me, I take the phrase literally. A gay community is a number of GLBT people living in the same geographical place. Period. By that definition, P-town has a large gay community. So does Dupont Circle in DC, The Castro in SF, Greenwich Village in NYC, Broadway in Seattle, etc. Whether individuals (even a large percentage of the individuals) living in an area use drugs heavily or engage in promiscuous sex OR follow a more moderate lifestyle, a gay community is still a gay community.
Incidentally, using weasel words like 'Alot of gay people think this way' is pretty POV, don't you think? I don't remember you conducting any poll. Or if you did, you sure didn't ask me what I thought. So where do you get off saying "Gay people think this way"? when what you really mean is "I think this way"? Wandering Star 03:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Being accessible to a more world-wide audience
Commercial Street gained numerous cafes, leather shops, head shops -- every imaginable type of hip small business blossomed and flourished.
As a brit, the term "head shop" is unkown to me and is not in common usage here. perhaps a wider, more encompasing term could be used? --Brideshead 17:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Historical gay & lesbian presence in town
I wonder about In the mid-1970s members of the gay community began moving to Provincetown. Does this skip over earlier 20th century gays in a way that would be offensive to today's sensibilities?
The main notable examples that occur to me are Djuna Barnes, Tennessee Williams, Charles Demuth (more info re Demuth in Provincetown), Marsden Hartley, Edna St.Vincent Millay, Mabel Dodge?, and Louise Bryant (okay, maybe, Bryant only came out after leaving P-town with a man, but she made a splash here before that). I have certainly read somewhere that Williams had partners in town, and I would suspect that Barnes did as well. I haven't done any research yet looking for other examples and am just writing off the top of my head. I suppose if there are none, it doesn't matter. But I'm curious anyway. Can anyone provide additional examples of a historical gay presence in town prior to 1970? --Peter 15:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Follow-up to above: I didn't have to go far to find more evidence of a historical gay presence in Provincetown. The Atlantic House page here at Wikipedia says, "In 1950, Reginald "Reggie" Cabral and Mr. and Mrs. Frank J. Hurst bought the A-House. Cabral, who worked as manager, soon took over full ownership and made the long discreetly gay friendly establishment openly so." Now this doesn't really contradict the statement quoted above about members of the gay community moving to Provincetown. If you believe that members of the gay community only visited the openly gay bar during the summers between the 1950s and 1970s, then the statement could still be technically true. But my personal suspicion is that that is a stretch. --Peter 01:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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