Talk:Province of Posen

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Contents 1 On the population table 2 On feudalism 3 WikiProject Historical States 4 Meh. 5 the first Germans coming as settlers 6 Germanized Jews 7 Grand Duchy of Posen

[edit] On the population table

The population table for Prussia is great, but shouldn't it be in the Prussia article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwood (talk • contribs) 19:07, 21 February 2004 (UTC)

Definitely. I also think it's almost certainly wrong. I can't believe that there were only a few thousand people in Posen and West Prussia who did not speak German. john 19:22, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps the footnote isn't worded correctly, and the column heading can be interpretted more literally. The numbers might match "foreigners". Certainly in 1890, a significant portion of the ethnic Polish in Posen couldn't speak German very well, even if most of the children had been forced to learn it in school. - Bwood 01:19, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps. Certainly it is difficult to understand how there could be more non-German speakers in the Rhineland than in Posen. I'd add that a fairly substantial of Poznanian peasants probably had no education at all, and many will have been educated before 1863, when education would likely still have been in Polish. john 01:52, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] On feudalism

(moved from page to Talk) (see Freiherr vom Stein), I feel this is more appropriate in an article about feudalism, and perhaps we should see if one exists and link into it or create one. I'm taking your word about the 1810 date, I was thinking that serfdom was removed in stages by decree, and am pretty confidant that it was not stringently enforced for decades, allowing the old practices to continue in some form on many estates until the late 1800s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwood (talk • contribs) 16:55, 25 April 2004 (UTC)

After looking at the link, I'm going to put it back in pending more research. The vom Stein article has a lot of useful detail, but it is buried and needs to be added to a separate article about German and Polish feudalism. I'm particularily interested on how the Prussian laws affected Posen, since the law changed when Napoleon had removed Posen from Prussia. I seem to remember that the laws were different from Prussia proper and the annexed provinces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwood (talk • contribs) 17:03, 25 April 2004 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Historical States

The article is being conformed to the project template of Wikipedia:WikiProject Historical States Bwood 03:07, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Meh.

Western Posen at around this time would have been primarily German -- Greater Poland only begins with the eastern portions, regardless of what Cold War nationalist Polish propaganda says.

Regardless, I rewrote the section that pertains to ownership of it thruought history -- it is now written more clearly. Ameise -- chat 08:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the first Germans coming as settlers

The link to Settlers is incorrect, because it redirects to Settler (disambiguation). What the author wanted to say? I bet that many Germans came to Poland before the partition and many of them became Poles. Later some Germans came under Prussians.Xx236 10:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Germanized Jews

The Jews obtained many rights in Prussia and Germanized (they used to talk German dialect before, the Yddish). There were many of them. Some of them emigrated from Prussia, some moved to Germany after 1918.Xx236 10:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Duchy of Posen

It's the same area and population as in the Grand Duchy of Posen. Wouldn't it be better to start with this information instead of craddle?Xx236 10:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Data in Grand Duchy entry has now been changed to a pre-1848 value. - 52 Pickup 10:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I mean the introduction with "cradle of the Polish nation" and Jewish information (BTW without the number of Jews). SUch informations can be eventually in the Grand Duchy of Posen, her ethe text should start with Grand Duchy of Posen was reorganized to .... or something like that. I don't know that period. Xx236 11:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)