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The Ramones were said to have been a result of Protopunk. However, The Ramones were part of the original punk movement. The Sex Pistols did branch from protopunk, the Ramones were in protopunk. Also, I added that the original protopunk bands were Blondie, Patti Smith, and the Ramones at CBGBs. The New York Dolls were also part of this triplet, however, they are credit (in college music history courses) as being wave 2 punk movement bands. This is because they knew how to play their instruments before they started playing as a band.

if your knowledge about punk is coming from college music history classes, then your knowledge is necessarily flawed and you're wasting your money at that school. knowledge about punk (or any art/music form) can't be received

the ramones are generally seen as the point at which protopunk became true punk. also, all first generation punk bands were a direct result of protopunk, which is best defined as bands that were active before the term 'punk' was coined. Joeyramoney 19:32, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Patti Smith, Blondie, and The Ramones are not protopunk. Smith and The Ramones, along with Hell, Suicide, and Television, are all major playors in First Wave Punk. Blondie is New Wave; I'm not even sure how you thought they were proto-punk. Quinibus

Protopunk music goes all the way back to The Who's angry instrument smashing. Several British groups, notably John's Children and The Move, were influenced by The Who and developed outrageous stage acts to compensate for their poor playing. These groups were amongst the first protopunks. At around the same time in America, groups like the MC5 developed angry, repetitive music with an anti-society message. Eventually, British protopunk and American protopunk became intertwined circa 1972, to form the basis of punk rock.

Many vastly more popular and well-known musicians emerged from protopunk groups. For instance, Marc Bolan, formerly of John's Children, invented glam rock, a theatrical variant of protopunk, and hid behind groundbreaking costumes to disguise his amateurish guitar playing. He became one of the most influential rock stars ever. The New York Dolls and other protopunks, were influenced by his music and costumes, and created an angry variant which was absorbed into the styles of garage rockers such as The Ramones.

And that's the origins of punk. Your helpful mate, Percussion

That's a nice history, but incomplete: you left out Lou Reed, Bowie, and Iggy Pop. Also: note, The Ramones may have sold the most t-shirts to sub-urban kids, but they aren't the only major band in the early punk movement; just the most accessible.Quinibus

I'm not sure why exactly Pere Ubu should be considered proto-punk, like the article suggests. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.Quinibus

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Television isn't protopunk. They played with at CBGBs at the same time as the Ramones..Quinibus

Wait, why is Greenday listed as proto-punk? This is'nt right.

Green Day is not protopunk. Protopunk refers to the origins of punk in the 60s and 70s. Green Day weren't around until 89. The punk movement was well established and moving towards the mainstream by that time.

The article suggests that Eddie Cochran and Iggy Pop were both known as the "Godfather of Punk". Which is correct?

neither, it's Ricky Nelson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 21:06, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

What about Neil Young? I mean Tonight's the night. On the beach. etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.194.206.52 (talk) 16:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 The Kinks 2 John Cale 3 pere ubu 4 Radio Birdman 5 Needs work 6 White Punks on Coke

[edit] The Kinks

The Kinks are often overlooked as the pioneers of punk that they really where/are. They played heavy, fast, power chord driven rock music (for the 60's at least). Just listen to "I'm Not Like Everybody Else", a song recorded in early 1966. Bands like The Who and The Ramones were huge fans of the Kinks. In the mid-late 70's they (the Kinks) got back to their hard rock/punk roots, like on the live album "One For the Road".

[edit] John Cale

I added a mention of Cale, as he was certainly very heavily involved in the scene. Also, someone should consider mentioning Neil Young. 124.178.105.179 14:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Neil Young is proto-alternative (or will be, once such a category is established). He was still too much of a CSNY hippie in the 70s to be protopunk

[edit] pere ubu

chronologically, how are they protopunk if they formed in 1975, after the ramones? 24.23.97.35 00:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Radio Birdman

I addded Radio Birdman to this topic. I don't mind if someone cleans up my verbiage, however it cannot be denied that they were a major influence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crassus cazius (talk • contribs) 00:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs work

This could def be a good & valuable article, but it's going to take a good deal of effort. I assisted Professor Vivien Goldman with her recent courses on punk at NYU. One week we had Lenny Kaye and Seymour Stein in to talk. When we got on to the roots topic, Lenny, with Seymour agreeing, waxed eloquent on Bing Crosby. He'd just written a book about crooners. Punk, it seemed, could be expressed as "an attitude and an amplifier".

I think it would be good to break it down into the various strains, and then develop them individually. Then re-synthesize the thing as a whole. Wwwhatsup 23:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I would go further and say that the 'Notable examples' section is now a joke. Perhaps it should be dispensed with and replaced with a link to List of forerunners of punk music where people can have a field day adding their favorite bands. Wwwhatsup (talk) 10:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] White Punks on Coke

Crawdaddy just revived a 1975 article on the 60's roots of punk. I guess the coke refers to Coca Cola? One good point raised is that a constant vital element of punk rock is the existence of local small record labels. Wwwhatsup (talk) 13:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)