Talk:Prostitution in Russia
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- Russia and Ukraine have a system of internal passport controls...
The article on propiska states that the system has been abolished in Ukraine. Can someone confirm the details? —Michael Z. 2005-09-17 15:28 Z
[edit] Delete or rewrite
This article, I think, should be deleted.
First of all, the word "tochka" is not limited to the described sphere of usage. In fact, I have never heard of prostitutes' gathering to be called "tochka", though it is highly probable. Here in Russia, we use this word in a whole lot of expressions, for example:
- "торговая точка/torgovaya tochka", "trading point" - any place where trade can take place, like a shop, a street outlet etc.
- "огневая точка/ognevaya tochka", "firing point" - a military term
- "горячая точка/goryachaya tochka", "hot point" - a place where a war is waged, mostly used for Chechnya.
So, the sentence Tochka ... is the word for an outdoor market for prostitutes is not correct, while it is true that Tochka is the word for 'point' in Russian (точка).
Then. Tochkas are responsible for most of the internal sex trafficking - we cannot say who is responsible for sex trafficking, but that would be definitely not the place, like we cannot say that Waterloo was responsible for the battle.
where prostitutes tend to be intravenous drug users who work on their own - citation needed. As well as for the whole second paragraph.
They are typically paid half or less of the weekly wage that they had earned at the farm. - quite doubtful. Why would they come to Moscow then? Let's count. A worker at the farm earns, say, 2000..3000 rubles a month, that would be $70..100. While it is very hard to live with this money in a village, in Moscow it is definitely almost impossible to live with "half or less" of this money.
Generally such prostitutes are prevented from seeking legitimate work in Moscow and other cities because they are not registered in the city. - quite true. Moreover, I watched a TV program where they say their passports are often taken away.
along Tverskaya, Moscow's main avenue. - Tverskaya links to a metro station, but Tverskaya avenue is really famous for its literally flocks of prostitutes.
criminal gangs that bribe local police departments in order to remain in business. - citation needed, as well as for the most part of the last paragraph.
Russians traditionally work without pay in the Spring to commemorate Lenin's birthday. - I doubt whether it is to commemorate Lenin's birthday. It is not one day, first of all, but several Saturdays (or any other days) in March, April, and May, and now we do this not for Lenin but just to keep our cities clean. -- Anthony Ivanoff 05:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
May I ask is the word becoming linked to a gathering of prostitutes?
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- "Точка" - club in Moscow! without slut83.167.98.19 (talk) 08:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] References
O'K, I provided first reference and can work more on this sibject if no one objects.Biophys 03:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Brothels in St.Petersburg / Petrograd 1912 -1917
I remember well the discussions which my mother`s father (born 23.12.1893 in St.Petersburg) and his same age man friends, all living there up to 1921, had of "joy houses" in the City. Most of the brothels were located in Vasili Island (Vasilin saari). A speciality was "girls in the windows" block at the bank street of the River Neva copied from Amsterdam. The three most quality and exotic were named Aboskaja, Helsingforskaja and Viborskaja after Finnish towns. There were girls working from all over Europe but the houses offered also homosexual and lesbian services. One place named Kozel = Ram even offered from special price sodomian act for selected customers. Vasili Island brothels were favoured by the Russian upper classes. There were also several Gipsy Houses which were half brothels and restaurants with Galician gipsy music and girls. Grigori Rasputin favoured these places and there lived one true story of his vossikka journey from Nevski Prospekt with two "Cuckoos" to Vasili Island which resulted the awful death for the vossikka driver who was Old Believer and cursed Rasputin with sudden unpleased death. Rasputin´s answer "Old man, old man, I may be death by the end of the year, but you cannot see any more your vossika station." was witnessed by al least a dozen of people outside of the restaurant.
Later that night when returning to his stable, he forced his horse to take the street which run between the Putilov and State corn warehouses. There were millions of the rats running from warehouse to warehouse over the street. The vossikka driver forced his horse to run over this rat army but he fell down from carriage´s driver seat just in the middle of the rats. His horse and the empty carriage was found later that night nearby but only the vossikka driver´s cockarde and the thick end hand place of his mount whipe was found.
Other brothel blocks were located near all main railway stations and principal market squares. Many Street Cuckoos worked at Nevski Prospekt and adjoining streets. Their trade mark was closed ambrella despite what kind of weather it was.
At he eve of The Great War St. Petersburg police estimated more than 10.000 full time prostitutes working all around the clock in the city. The number of part time prostitutes were estimated to be three times higher.
The declaration of the war on August 1, 1914 against Imperial Germany marked the sight that has never been seen before and after in St. Petersburg. To show their patriotic feelings all the prostitutes offered their services gratis to the soldiers in parks, side alleys, house corridors, public toilets, etc, even in railway stations first class waiting rooms.
JN
Some abstracts definitely require an update. Do not think the article of year 2000 about women traficking in Russian Far-East is credible these days. Most Russians' incomes grew tremendously over a few recent years and though the "profession" is quite demanded, majority of the ladies come to Russia (Moscow specially) from Ukraine, Moldova and other post-soviet independent countries with poorest economies.
