Talk:Princess Catharina-Amalia of the Netherlands

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[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was No consensus. This has to be closed somehow. Duja► 15:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Princess Catharina-Amalia of the Netherlands → Princess Amalia of the Netherlands – I think she's more widely known as Princess Amalia, although I'm not sure how controversal the move would be if I just went ahead and did it. She is officially known as Princess Catharina-Amalia, like Princess Ingrid Alexandra of Norway, but Ingrid is generally called just Ingrid, and will probably reign as Queen Ingrid, not Queen Ingrid Alexandra.

[edit] Survey

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  • Support - as nominator. Morhange 01:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22princess+amalia%22

The above search (for "princess amalia") finds 10,600 Google hits. A search for "princess catharina amalia" finds 11,800 Google hits. Can Morhange provide some evidence that the princess is "more widely known as Princess Amalia"? (I'm not saying she isn't; I'm just looking for some evidence thereof.) Noel S McFerran 05:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Here's a BBC article [1] stating that the new Dutch princess is going to be called Catherina-Amalia, but Amalia for short. The title of the article is "Dutch princess to be called Amalia" not "Catherina-Amalia" or "Catherina" Morhange 21:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that a claim by one news article is enough to justify this change (but I am certainly open to more evidence). The family of the Hereditary Prince of Liechtenstein call his eldest son "Wenzel", but his official name is always "Joseph Wenzel". Noel S McFerran 05:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Jonkvrouw van Amsberg?

Why aren't she and her sisters Jonkvrouw van Amsberg also? Why are their cousins indeed Jonkvrouw or Jonkheer van Amsberg also, and they are not? Demophon 04:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Because as far as I know, the title is only inherited in the male line. Regards, Daimanta 23:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Amsberg comes from their father's father though, so it is in the male line. Kings, queens, and princes/princesses don't need surnames. Looking at the Countess Eloise of Orange-Nassau page, it seems that Jonkheer/Jonkvrouwe van Amsberg and the right to pass it down is something that is granted upon marriage. So, for example, when Prince Constantijn got married, a Royal Decree was issued that stated that his children would be Jonkheer/Jonkvrouwe van Amsberg. In contrast, the Royal Decree issued when W-A got married said that his children would be HRH Prince/ss. When Princess C-A gets married, the Royal Decree will probably look a lot like the one issued for her parents' marriage. In contrast, when Princess Alexia gets married, a Royal Decree will probably be issued stating what surname(s) her children will use and likely giving her children the title count/countess and predicate jonkheer/jonkvrouwe van Amsberg, just like her uncle's children. Ariadne55 (talk) 01:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, that depends. Alexia and Ariane's children might just have their father's surname (or a title, if either marries a fellow royal or noble). They probably can't, however, be Jonkheer/Jonkvrouwe van Amsberg, because that title passes through the male line, not the female line. Claus-Casimir can pass those titles to his children, but his sisters cannot. It is possible that Alexia and Ariane, as sisters of the future queen, will be treated the same way as Princess Margriet, and their children will be given the titles Prince/ss of Orange-Nassau, (insert surname here). The same did not happen for Princess Christina, I think, because she married a Catholic. Alexia and Ariane's children may well not even get titles unless their spouses are Dutch, as happened with Margriet, but not Christina. Irene's husband was royal, so there was no need for additional titles. Anything is possible, but I don't think Alexia and Ariane's children will be made Jonkheer/Jonkvrouwe van Amsberg, because that is the girls' paternal surname; their will take their father's surname, so they could very well be created Jonkheer/Jonkvrouwe van Something, just not van Amsberg. Morhange (talk) 04:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)