Talk:Prince Eugene of Savoy

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Contents 1 Name discussion 2 Importance 3 Rewrite 4 Homosexuality

[edit] Name discussion

Considering this prince was never ruler of Savoy, and from a sideline on top of that, shouldn't this article's name be something like "Prince Eugene of Savoy"? My understanding is that the format "xxxx of xxxx" for males applies only to monarchs, see point 1 on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). In this case though, he falls under the category "Other royals", see points 1-4. Gryffindor 11:28, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• Gryffindor makes a good point. The WP:NC are in place for a reason, to bring a little order to the chaos that is WP (not complaining, of course), I agree, this should be listed at Prince Eugene of Savoy. Prsgoddess187 12:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Gryffindor and Prsgoddess187. Charles 21:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Nightstallion (?) 11:04, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Importance

I've bumped him down to "High", as I don't believe he's actually well-known to anyone outside of people already familiar with that period of military history. Feel free to change it back if you know something I don't, though ;-) Kirill Lokshin 02:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Eugene of Savoy was the most important general in Austrian history. He almost single-handedly made Austria a great power of Europe with his victories at Zenta, Höchstädt, Turin (witch secured Northern Italy for Austria until Napoleon), Oudenarde and Peterwardein. Without him central europe would be dominated of the Ottoman Empire and France. --Carl Logan 19:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but that's not the criterion we're using; see the scale. What we're trying to determine is whether he's "well-known" to people not familiar with military history. Kirill Lokshin 21:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

You are correct, but have you read the second section in the the scale. Until this is changed to "notably from a strictly Anglo-American perspective” Eugene of Savoy remains a Top-importance article. --Carl Logan 15:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Which is why I left it there ;-) I have no problems with assessing against his "well-known-ness" from (what I assume is) an Austrian or German standpoint; I just wanted to be sure we were actually looking at the right characteristics here. Kirill Lokshin 17:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Prince Eugene of Savoy was one from most important and graetest military leader in 17/18th century. He was very important from Anglan-perspective too, because John Churchill, duke of Marlborough win his greratest victories with Eugene's significant assist (viz battle of Blenheim and battle of Oudenaarde. And this was battle with worldwide impact and this battle had directly impact on history of Great Britain and proportion of power in North America. I don't know Importance scale on this wikipedia, but I think, that real importance of person is more important from recognition of person. Cinik 07:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

This article is currently being rewritten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymond Palmer (talk • contribs) 16:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm really wondering what this phrase should aim "Eugene never married, something that was highly unusual at the time; there is in fact not a single recorded relationship of any kind. He may very well have lived in celibacy his entire life." Its well-known that he was gay, and I see no point not to mention that but obscur speculation about if he had ever sex or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.60.68.45 (talk) 19:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

What evidence do you have for that claim. It is NOT well known he was gay, it is mere inference. Raymond Palmer 23:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

"The World War I British monitor HMS Prince Eugene, Austro-Hungarian battleship Prinz Eugen, and the World War II German 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen, heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen and Italian light cruiser Eugenio di Savoia were named after Eugene of Savoy, the only person[citation needed] whose name has been given to warships of four different navies--on opposite sides in the same war!"

This section doesn't make any sense as written. WWI and WWI are not the same war. Perhaps there were 4 different nations with warchips named for Eugene in one or the other of those wars, but they are not all listed, nor does the mountain division have anything to do with navies. -jefullerton

[edit] Homosexuality

Scientist discuss, if Eugene was homosexual. See therefore:

1. Bernd-Ulrich Hergemöller, Mann für Mann, Page 210
2. Magnus Hirschfeld, Die Homosexualität des Mannes und des Weibes, 1914/1984, Page 661
3. Albert Moll, Berühmte Homosexuelle, Wiesbaden, 1910, Page 36