Talk:Pretty Hate Machine

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[edit] recording time

Working nights at a recording studio cleaning toilets, Trent Reznor saved enough money to purchase time in a recording session. . The Trent Reznor article states he got free recording time because he was good at his job. Which is true? Which is substantiated? -- Jon Dowland 21:37, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Connections with Tori Amos?

What about the line in Tori Amos's Caught A Lite Sneeze:

Caught a lite sneeze
Dreamed a little dream
Made my own pretty hate machine

I think Tori also quoted another Reznor song or album.Sits69 14:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

On Little Earthquakes, song "Precious Things." Lyric begins "With them nine inch nails..." Trent also provides back up vocals on Under the Pink, song "Past the Mission". AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 14:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rename

I moved Pretty Hate Machine to pretty hate machine per the primary source (the album itself). Another editor has expressed concern that this is simply due to typeface, and so I have asked for opinions here. It was always my understanding that the proper title was pretty hate machine. Anyone have an idea on where to find a primary citation (the band referring to PHM directly, say on another album cover)? /Blaxthos 03:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you should've asked around... nin.com has it in all uppercase (showing it is a typeface thing). Allmusic is proper case and same for Pitchfork (both linked in the article's infobox). It's just a typeface - you'll also see on the same album cover the band name is also all lowercase (with the leading n backwards which is not their "normal" logo). — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 11:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not alter the namespace. As per Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Album titles and band names:

In band names and titles of songs or albums, unless it is unique (don't worry, nobody pays any heed to this disclaimer anyway), the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title and those that are not conjunctions (and, but, or, nor, for), prepositions (in, to, over), articles (an, a, the), or the word to when used to form an infinitive. Note that short verbs (Is, Are, Do) and pronouns (Me, It, His) are capitalized. Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art, though a redirect may be appropriate (for example, KoЯn redirects to Korn (band)).

pretty hate machine should be a redirect, not the namespace. -- rynne 16:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cover design

What is that on the album cover? Any articles out there about what Gary Talpas photographed? Steveprutz 19:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Album title meaning?

Also, is there any official explanation of the title? The article would benefit. Steveprutz 19:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I have never heard of the album being referred to as Halo 02, I think a source should be cited for that particular name, otherwise it's just some nickname that fans have given it, which shouldn't be in the first sentence of the article.JoeyFNK 14:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Each NiN release has a corresponding Halo number... has nothing to do with a nickname from fans. See this list (amazon.com). /Blaxthos 15:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong position of cover art

The position of the cover art is incorrect. The title of the album should not be on top but should be turned to the right. Trilby*foxglove 19:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, in a strictly technical sense, you may be right, considering the normal orientation of a CD case. But if you take into account the CD package as a whole for this album, it seems to me that the case is meant to be turned on its side. If you open the CD case, turn it sideways and allow the CD tray to hang down, then the booklet and the tray card make one continuous piece. Also, the official Nine Inch Nails website has it oriented the same way as it is in this article, so that should serve as a pretty definitive source for the cover art orientation. meateebon 23:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions for Improvement

1. Most importantly, this needs sourcing. The article is severely lacking in sources and is probably the main reason this article is still rated start-class. One source links to the NIN hotline, which I'm not so sure is considered a reliable source. In addition, it only links to the article which should be used as the source for the statement it supports.
2. If the Packaging section and the Popular Culture sections are to be kept, they need to be written in paragraph form, added to, and moved up in the article to follow the History section.
3. Make a Critical Reception section that includes reviews/quotes/criticism much like in the other NIN album articles.
4. I haven't noticed any mention that this album is pretty much what launched Nine Inch Nails into the mainstream and jumpstarted Trent Reznor's popularity. There's also no mention of music videos played on MTV.
5. Work on organizing the information that's currently in the article. Due to the lack of sources, you may need to start from scratch. I'd recommend searching far and wide on the Internet to research Pretty Hate Machine as if you didn't know anything about it. That way you can have a base with reliable sources to go on, and can work from there.
6. Find and add more fair use images. Perhaps something from music videos, tours, etc.

The prose in the History section isn't bad, but this article could be greatly improved. --Ubiq (talk) 16:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)