Talk:Presidential Unit Citation (United States)

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[edit] Information on Streamers sought

I am not familiar w/ the "Streamer" concept (shown on this page for "Normandy") and would appreciate more information. Does it mean that every PUC award is accompanied w/ a streamer that bears the name of the action, e.g. "Kumyangjang-ni"? Does the streamer apply to foreign recipients as well? Thank you in advance - Todd (talk) 18:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Needs list of unit recipients

the total list of all BN and larger units to ever earn a PUC is quite large, and I've never seen it in one place. maybe we should remove the table until someone finds the whole thing - it gives the impression only a few units have earned it. Gluefarm 06:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it could be a separate article, but there definitely should be a list of units who've received the citation, the date awarded, and justification (if any). For instance, the 101st Airborne Division was cited for actions during Operation Overlord. Also, MACV-SOG was a recipient. I'll start with a basic table and hopefully others will expand upon it. Alcarillo 17:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe the task force known as "Taffy 3" in the Battle off Samar was a recipient, but I don't have more information than is in that article. Krellkraver 06:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

The Marines defending Wake Island in December 1941 were the first recipients. Here is a link to a recent obituary of one of them. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.45.127 (talk) 18:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Another unit which won the Presidential Unit Citation was the 333rd FA during the Battle of Buldge in WW2. I was assigned to the 1/333 FA during the 1970's and we wore the Presidential Unit Citation above the right pocket of our dress greens. During WW2, the 333rd was a segregated unit, so its earning the Presidential Unit Citation has special significance. John N. Cox (JohnNCox@msn.com) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnncox (talk • contribs) 02:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Mmmm - the 3rd/C/614st TD was the first segregated black unit to recieve it, a few weeks earlier. (You can guess what article I'm writing just now...)

In general I agree that a list is useful and interesting - especially if annotated with details - but I'm not sold the current list is at all helpful. An incomplete list is fine, but an incomplete list of random examples (not "the most interesting", however we define that) isn't; it implies an editorial decision we haven't made. Is there a comprehensive list anywhere we could draw off a new article from? Shimgray | talk | 16:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

The reference pointing to the Navy and Marine Corps awards manual gives a list of nearly all of the Marine Corps units that have received the award. Thats a good place to start. I also think we need to separate the list into a separate "list" article.--Kumioko (talk) 16:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, seems the best way - and if we have it on a seperate page we can easily enough label it prominently as incomplete! List of recipients of the United States Presidential Unit Citation? Perhaps one list for the Army/USAF PUC and one for the Navy/USMC? Shimgray | talk | 00:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, WRT lists... poking around, I can't see a full Army/USAF list. Perhaps a FOIA request to the DoD would be worth a shot? You're in a better position to do this than I am... Shimgray | talk | 00:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Right, a bit more digging. Awards to Navy/USMC units were - until recently - all recorded in a document going by the name of OPNAVNOTE 1650; a copy of that document as of March 2001 is here, which neatly covers everything up to the recent operations. This has since been discontinued for the Navy/USMC and replaced by their website at awards.navy.mil, which allows you to search by unit but not by award, which is a bit irritating for our purposes. (The USMC list mentioned above is basically just an updated copy of one section of 1650 - same format)

On examination, it seems that the USMC list includes a lot of units which happened to be serving under one which was awarded the PUC, but wasn't itself awarded it - so it's probably better to rely on 1650. Shimgray | talk | 00:52, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The USS Bogue received a PUC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rumples (talk • contribs) 23:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)