Talk:Predator (film)

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[edit] Trivia

I'm removing this:

"Some speculate the Elite from the game Halo took their design from the Predator in that they both have plasma weapons, armor cloaking, a warrior tradition, four mandibles and melee weapons. In addition, they both have a war cry and both are stronger faster and tougher than most humans, and both are bipedal"

This is 100% speculation with no sources given. The two alien types are really only similar because they have mandibles. They are completely different in looks, behavior, etc. Plasma weapons? So what? They fight with hand held pistols and rifles, they don't have blade wrists, nets, discs, etc. They have laser swords and that's about it. The elites fight enmass as a standing army, they don't hunt their victims and collect trophies. The only point that I can give is on the cloaking aspect and even that's a stretch.

--Tenric 18:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I suspect the newly added texts are copyright violation, but I couldn't find an original copy from Google. --Lorenzarius 18:34, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I reverted the article to a previous version (unrelated to the possible copyright violation mentioned above) as all Wiki markup was removed in the last update. However, the article's history didn't work properly (presumably) because of that, so I was unable to check if any information was lost... Anym 22:46, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Why do the bottom links all have to do with Alien and not Predator? This should be edited. Mkilly 08:10, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Could someone make the plot synopsis a little less run-on, and more coherent? Also, decide whether it should all be present tense or past tense.

In fact, use the same format as Alien vs. Predator (movie). Act I- Humans arrive to fulfill mission. Act II- Predator kills all humans except for one. Act III- Last human faces off with the Predator. Then, go through individual scenes.


... encrustated??

The part about Jean Claude overheating in the suit and about John Cameron coming up with the idea of the mandibles was mentioned in a documentary on the making of the movie. Unfortunatly I don't remember the name of it, but I believe it was show on Starz before the movie itself. Sorry I can't be more helpful. - Deltawolf

It's mentioned in David A. McIntee's book so I can dig out the page numbers if required. That said it is mentioned in the main entry on the Predator [1] and it should probably stay over there which would keep the trivia section here tight. Possibly expand it and make it more an entry on the production? (Emperor 18:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] movie

the film has three acts

grazon 04:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)


Schwarzenager and crew were mercenaries, not US special forces.

Dutch makes multiple references to this in the film with comments like "We're a rescue team, not assassins" and later at the compound with "my men are not expendable, and i don't do this kind of work." - WildCard600 March 17 2007

The predator=beowulf section states that Arnold prises off the alien`s mask. If I recall correctly, the predator removes the mask by itself as Arnold watches.

[edit] Predator Series

Is there a predator series template thing like the alien one at the bottom? It would make sense to have both or none really.

[edit] More than one tagline getting fused.

Can U believe it? The movie "Predator" has two taglines that are part of two other taglines. That's just overworking perfectly good taglines. -Alakazam


[edit] Comics

Dark Horse Comics have Predator comics [2] (as well as the Alien vs Predator ones) and I was adding in the details to the entry for one of the writers, Ian Edginton, and noticed there wasn't an entry for them so I thought I'd flag the need for one and hopefully someone with a better knowledge of the series could get the entry going. (Emperor 17:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Wrong credit given for actor who played the predator.

Someone had incorrectly stated that a "Danielle Symmons" played the Predator. According to IMDb, it was in fact the late Kevin Peter Hall who played the part in Predator I and II.
IMDb page for Mr. Hall: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001310/
IMDb page for Predator I: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093773/
IMDb page for Predator II: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100403/

In fact, not only is there no Danielle Symmons listed anywhere in the credits (nor any similarly spelled name), IMDb has no listing whatsoever for this person.
IMDb name search for Danielle Symmons:
http://www.imdb.com/find?s=nm&q=Danielle+Symmons

I've corrected the error, ensured there is a link for Mr. Hall's Wikipedia page and removed the following from the Trivia section:

"One of them being the actual actor behind the predator creature itself, one Danielle Symmons who provided her own hair for the predator model." (wtf?)

Its most likely someone putting their friend's name on there or something dumb.--Tenric 17:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV violation??

the second paragraph seems a fanboy-ish, i feel. "The movie blends effectively the '80s hard action movie genre with a healthy dose of sci-fi horror. Energetic and manly, the movie was successful enough (earning $60 million in the United States alone) to generate a sequel, Predator 2, in 1990."


I've just started rereading the Seamus Heaney Beowulf, but I think there is a problem in the Predator Beowulf section. The Predator removes its mask and shoulder cannon as a gesture of respect, opting to show Ductch its true face and and battle him in a more honorable manner. This is not annalagous to a decapitation in Beowulf. If there are no objections in a week or so, once I've finished rereading Beowulf, I'll strike that passage. Nkuzmik 16:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boewulf section

All very interesting, but without any citation, this is just speculation and WP:OR. Could someone please provide a reference or citation to where this is adequately documented externally, so the section can be peared down: otherwise it would have to be removed. -- Jon Dowland 12:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


I don't have a citation, but the literary comparisons seem fairly accurate, with the exception of the removal of the helmet as analogous to removing the monster's head. In the first movie the creature removed its mask and ranged weapons in favor of battling Dutch "bare handed."

One could argue the Beowulf allusions continue in the second movie. Line 1520 of the Heany translation talks about Beowulf's sword not harming Grendel's mother when he struck her on the skull. This echos Lambert's ineffective head-shots on the train. Michael Harrigan's use of the Predator's smart disk is achtypically similar to Beowulf using a sword found in Grendel's mother's lair to slay her. In both cases the hero takes a weapon from the monster and uses said weapon to vanquish the monster. There is also a slight parralell to the "disarming" of Grendel.

Michael Harrigan does remove the Predator's mask, but in an attempt to insure that the creature is dead, not as a means of killing it. So I would say this is an inaccurate comparison. Nkuzmik 03:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I've read beowulf a couple of times and have never, ever thought that the films were in anyway like Beowulf. Unless there's some scholarly article comparing the two, then its pretty much speculation. --Tenric 17:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Read a lot about Beowulf recently and agree perfectly with Tenric. The connection between Beowulf and the Predator story is way too vague for a wiki article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.176.217.90 (talk) 20:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I found this, http://www.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/beowulfbooklet.htm The reference to Predator is brief but explicit. It also may be related to a deeper analysis. I also found this; http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/35096/a_comparison_of_sciencefiction_predator.html I'm quick to cite this source. It feels like a very superficial treatment of both texts. Nkuzmik 23:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The existing article's point by point comparison's between the poem and the movie aren't bad, I might have gone a different way, but I've checked around and can find nothing on the 'net beyond the page I mentioned in my comment from October of '06 from rochester.edu. The author of the Beowulf Booklet is rather sparse on the comparisons. That said, I'm going to pare down the information on the main page to remove the author's original work. Should the aforementioned author read this comment: I am not criticizing you or your work. I would love to go into more detail but Wiki is not the forum for that. Nkuzmik 18:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Predator links

Every use of the "Predator" noun includes a link to the Predator's article. I believe this is unnecessary and does not follow standard procedure. The link is only necessary for the initial mention of the Predator. If there are no objections in a week, I'll remove the additional links. Mcr29 00:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I vote to leave the first example of the name in a given section as a link. It seems like a decent compromize
Nkuzmik 02:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Someone might jump to a specific section and it would then be a pain scrolling back up to find the first mention on the page - it works well as a compromise. (Emperor 02:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC))

[edit] High Importance

How is this article rated as high importance? Please explain your reasoning. Mcr29 17:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Excessive plot section?

I think the plot section is too long and detailed. It has over 1400 words (while plot summaries should have no more than 900 words), and most of the information doesn't seem very important to the plot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pigslookfunny (talk • contribs) 23:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

Agreed. It needs to be trimmed down a bit. -- Grandpafootsoldier 19:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A separate Dutch entry?

Alan "Dutch" Schaefer, is it needed? He hasn't appeared outside the film so the entry will largely replicate this entry. Thoughts? (Emperor 14:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Japanese dub actors

Two Japanese dubs of Predator currently exist, with the television-aired version starring Tesshō Genda being the more recent. This version is also on the Japanese DVD.

Character English actor Japanese voice actor (Yūsaku Yara version) Japanese voice actor (Tesshō Genda version)
Dutch Arnold Schwarzenegger Yūsaku Yara Tesshō Genda
Dillon Carl Weathers Kenji Utsumi Takayuki Sugō
Anna Elpidia Carrillo Masako Katsuki Tomoko Shiota
Mac Bill Duke Mugihito Mugihito
Billy Sonny Landham Shōzō Iizuka Ryūzaburō Ōtomo
Poncho Richard Chaves Ken Yamaguchi Hōchū Ōtsuka
Hawkings Shane Black Masashi Ebara Kazuo Kamiya
Blain Jesse Ventura Banjō Ginga Takeshi Aono

Cat's Tuxedo 05:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] US Special Forces

IIRC Dutch and his team were not actually members of a US military unit, rather they were vets who had left the service and teamed up to act as a "for hire" unit specializing in K&R rescue work. CIA agent Dillon (Weathers) hired the team under the false pretense of doing a rescue job, but the real purpose was to just wipe out all the guerillas, the Agency knew there were no living hostages to retrieve. Anyone confirm this? Ellsworth 20:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] US Green Beret

I think its true they were a special force unit and they belong to the 10th special force group in which their area of operation is europe and every thing related to the soviet union as they talked about their previos operations in Berlin and Afghanistan and the reason they refused to join libya mission was it isnt there area of operation ( 3rd or 5th special force group ) . Hopper was from the 7th special force group at Fort Bragg responsible for central and south america .

[edit] The Unit in the movie

Its unlikely that the unit was mercenary unit as Major Dutch is obviously still in the military and what proves that after they destroyed the rebel camp he obey orders and become under Dilon charge.Im saying if they are not Green beret so they most be from delta force ( one of the most notable rules of Delta Force is saving hostages ) what proves this Dilon talk to Dutch as he said we need the best thats why you are here , also we can here the helicopter pilot addressing Major Dutch By Delta 5. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Max Mayer (talk • contribs) 11:29:14, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Mercenary or special force ?

In predator 2 special agent Keyes told Lt. Hurrigan :10 years ago a creature like this took out an elite special force unit , there were 2 survivors .....etc refering to Dutch unit ...so it was a special force unit not a mercenary unit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Max Mayer (talk • contribs) 05:33, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Minigun

The uncited statement about the mingun in the trivia section is true, I don't know how to cite sources, but here it is, about 3/4 down the page. http://www.world.guns.ru/machine/minigun-e.htm PowderedToastMan 22:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stuntman death

Wasn't this the film a stuntman was killed doing the waterfall dive or something like that? Can't find it mentioned at IMDB, but I'm 90% certain this the film shot in Mexico during this time period that had a stunt death. SteveCoppock (talk) 00:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The director states in the commentary the the Arnold's stunt actor put his knee out, in the fall, but that's it. Maybe you mean the guy who died while making Topgun? The only thing to die in Predator is the scorpion that Mac crushes. Anyone know why the stunt actor has a cloud of smoke coming from him in the fall?LordJesseD (talk) 19:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)