Talk:Power centre

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Is this term used anywhere apart from Canada? It isn't used in the UK. Bhoesicol 07:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Is a "power centre" in Canada like a retail park in the UK or a strip mall in the United States? GCarty 11:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
A power centre is not another term a strip mall, although strip malls can be found in a power centre. They are two seperate things. --BoyoJonesJr 18:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I have heard this term used in the United States before. bob rulz 09:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
This term is in use in parts of the U.S. but I have never heard it before. It appears to be common in California, Nevada, Colorado, and Texas, and on the East Coast. I found a reference in the New York Times: "The New Goal at Retail Power Centers: Eye Appeal; Bowing to demands by towns to give more attention to design." By RACHELLE GARBARINE. New York, N.Y.: Aug 15, 1999. pg. RE9. Before the "power center" there was the shopping mall with big box stores along a side walk next to a big parking lot. Blah, dull, boring, and ugly but lowest cost construction and rent. Nassau Park and Nassau Park Pavilion in New Jersey were cited as examples of the new power centers: they were to have landscaping, plazas, fountains, and a skating rink, with the extra costs raising project cost and tenant rent by about 14%. A definition of "power center": from the International Council of Shopping Centers in Manhattan (NY) was "open air retail strip with 250,000 sq feet of retail space or more and 3 or more big box or specialty stores." A power center costs more to build, because of the extra money for design and decor, and the extra features, but tends to attract more upscale tenant. The article said 81 power centers were built in the U.S. in 1997. (It would be interesting to see if a merchant at a power center charges more for the same appliance than his competitor at the shopping mall, to pay for the relative poshness of the power center.) Edison 16:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Contradiction

 The factual accuracy of this article is disputed.
Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page. (March 2008)

Shoppers World (Framingham) says that mall is a power center that opened in 1951. -- Beland 23:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move to Power center

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  • Well, there is clearly little or no interest in making such a move at this time, so I will close the discussion and archive it. A redirect from "Power center" to Power centre wil suffice. Edison 18:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The international group representing shopping center owners, the International Council of Shopping Centers present (2004)reference work has definitions limited to the U.S. At Talk:Shopping mall there is a discussion in which the size classifications for "regional" and "superregional" were held to be inapplicable outside the U.S. because the 2004 ICSC definitions [1] explicitly restrict them to the U.S., unlike the older and obsolete 1999 set of definitions referenced by this article. From a Google search I see that "center" is the more common spelling of "power center" as applied to shopping, with Wikipedia and its mirrors removed, by 377,000 to 48,200. Even discounting cases where "power center" refers to an electrical device, "power center" is the more used term worldwide. It is also the spelling used in the ICSC definition. Therefore I suggest moving the article to Power center and adjusting the usage in the article to match. The article also says the first usage was "Power center" for one in the U.S.
  • Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~ Edison 18:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Support for reasons stated above. Edison 18:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] This is silly

Having one article at power center and another at power centre is silly and confusing. I'm going to move this to power centre (retail) (keeing the "re" spelling in deference to WP:MOS) and the other one to power center (geometry). I'm going to put a disambig page at power center with a redirect there from power centre. -- Mwalcoff 03:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, almost all of the links to power center are about shopping centers. I'll just redirect here and use a hatnote. -- Mwalcoff 03:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I moved them back, fixed incoming links, and improved the top disambiguating links. I don't think that parenthetical disambiguation is necessary when top disambiguating links will work just fine. WODUP 07:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Del Amo and Puente Hills. Power Centers?

The article lists Puente Hills Mall, of the City of Inductry, CA, and Del Amo Fashion Center, of Torrence, CA as examples of malls that have been converted to power centers. This is not accurate. Both malls are still fully enclosed (which contradicts the definition of a power center at the start of the article), and feature full line department stores such as Macy's and Sears. Del Amo has added an outdoor "lifestyle" center, and Puente Hills does have a Circuit City, but that does not make a traditional indoor shopping mall a power center. Anyone else agree? (75.50.101.192 22:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC))