Talk:Post Tribulation Rapture

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There should definitely also be a pre-trib rapture page if there is a post-trib rapture page. I'm not qualified to write it, but it just seems fair to represent both sides, especially when the Left Behind series has become so crazy-popular in the U.S. Also, it's disingenuous at best to have a link titled "Pre-Tribulation Rapture" that takes you to the Dispensationalism page (not redirects, just plain directs you to it). Therefore, I've removed it and put in a link saying that more info about the root theology of pre-trib rapture may be found at the dispensationalism article. However, I'm not sure that the pre-trib rapture and dispensationalism are as closely tied as the article(s) make out. I'm of the pre-trib rapture school, but I wouldn't call myself a dispensationalist by any stretch of the imagination. --NoLightofMyOwn 23:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC) NoLightOfMyOwn

It was the dispensationalists like J. N. Darby who came up with this heterodox idea, as well as a lot of other good ideas. Alfarero 22:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)-

[edit] Opposing Views

The last paragraph of Opposing Views... is quite POV. It is an evaluation of the "opposing views," not an explanation of their beliefs. It belongs with the body of the article, or in a separate Rebuttal section.

Alfarero 02:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I took a stab at fixing it. My edits were hopefully non-judgmental to either side. I am post-Trib, personally. Text that was confusing, repeating arguments from other sections, or simply out of place in this section I took the liberty of removing. I feel that a rebuttal of opposing views has absolutely no place in a Wiki under a heading that supposedly presents those views in an unbiased, gentlemanly manner.

Alfarero 00:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attempt at NPOV

Added a heading section to the list of objections to pre-Tribulationism. Intent was to identify that list as arguments against pre-Trib rather than information about the subject of the article, post-Trib. Tried to summarize the Scriptural support for the idea that the Bible authors meant to explicitly teach post-Trib, so we could be staying on topic, for clarity, and frankly, because I'm post-Trib and want people to understand the idea well.

I am probably not going to do any more edits at this time, but some major work needs to be done on the whole Rapture topic, especially this article.

The fundamental Wiki policy of citation, not argument, is being flaunted to the extreme. I have a couple of citations but am rushed for time. We do our audience a disservice by not clearly explaining views by explaining who held them, when, and why. The main Rapture article is pretty good for giving history and citing sources in a fairly NPOV, easy-to-follow manner.

The logic of this article is about as clear as mud. Is there a K-12 English teacher out there willing to clear it up?

Thanks,

Alfarero 03:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for citations

If original editors are watching this page, I've put in citation requests where Wiki protocol calls for them. We need to abide by the rules of this medium. I would also be interested to know who came up with some of these ideas, so I could read further.

I think most of the best modern authors on this subject have been left off the list.

Thanks,

Alfarero 22:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation of Additions-Revised

An attempt was made to properly cite authors and their ideas where I was the original writer of the material and I ended up with 30 citations and a bibliography of 20 or so. I avoided citing where I wasn't the original author and do agree that there is much in this article that does argue against another idea rather than its own facts and ideas standing on their own. I hope to get to adjust that in the future. Perhaps it is also true that someone went a little too far in demanding citations. Before I added mine in there seemed to be one after every other sentence, if not sooner. The citations end up being longer than the actual body of the discussion. There are commonly held ideas about this topic that do not need citing. The fact that the rapture is after the Tribulation is itself seen in the title, "Post-tribulation Rapture."

20, July 2007

[edit] Argument for Post Trib

It is important to note, that Paul the Apostle quotes prophet Hosea: and then shall the saying be brought to pass: O dead where is thy sting, O hell where is thy victory". We need to see, when shall this come to pass. Hosea in his prophesy saw only the Second Advent of Messiah. So in pinning the time of this event, we need to go by the vision of the Old Testament. It is clear, that Hosea had no view of dispensationalism and never supported a separate individual Coming of the Lord for his bride. Prophets saw one day of the Second Advent for all, both church (Israel) and the World. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grinchak (talk • contribs) 16:20, 17 October 2007 (UTC)