Talk:Porsche 959

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I see "group B" referred to in this article, but have no idea what "group B" is, or was--apparently a class for really high-powered cars, but what are the details? Thanx-- Doovinator 03:47, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)


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[edit] Canepa Link

Why was my link to Canepa removed?

Because it is veiled advertising. It is also inferred that Canape legalized teh 959. He did not. Canepa's modified 959 wheels cracked when the car was driven during a review for an article.

Seinfeld did not pay $700,000.00 for the Sport model #027 he purchased. the car was in vacuum storage in Switzerland from new. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.100.33 (talk) 00:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


Sorry, I thought it was advertising before I read the whole article. I've put it back now. SamH 17:09, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
That's alright, I refrianed from putting it back myself before I could find out why it was removed. I think I'm done here and on the 911 article. I'm still working on additional information for the 928 (which I see you are a major contributor for) before I move on to the 924 and 944. Eventually I'll probably touch every page Wikipedia has about a Porsche model, I'm planning on moving to the 912, 914, Type 930 Carrera and 356 - to name a few - in the near future.
Just some advice: it might be helpful if you got a username if you're going to edit all the Porsche pages, since it'll provide you with a few useful tools like a watchlist. You don't have to disclose any information, or anything, it's just a login handle. Also, when you edit talk pages, it's helpful to sign them with four tildas (~~~~) -- that'll add your username and date/time of edit. Rlobkovsky 19:56, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Done and done.

Flash-Gordon 06:45, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Porsche 959 Picture

There used to be a picture of the Porsche 959 in an orangey color (what I know as Burnt Ember). Is there any way I could get a copy of this picture, because the car was just beautiful?

[edit] merge with porsche 959 prototype

definitely merge prototype article into this one. also, when i look at the protytpe article, it looks very similar to another webpage (see the talk page there) so moving the stuff out of there and deleting it would be good. Gzuckier 17:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 959 AWD Legacy

I made a few changes to the legacy section since it didn't indicate clearly enough that the four wheel drive system on Porsches built after the 964 used a much more simplified version of the AWD system - for reasons of cost and the fact that the 959's derived AWD system gave the 964 C4 a front wheel drive character according to many Porsche experts, including Porsche Guru Bruce Anderson. It is now a known fact that the cost to repair the 964's AWD system if it goes kaput can be absolutely terrifying, to the point that a 964 C4 is worth substantially less than a 964 C2 on the used car market today. Recently, Porsche Club of America's own magazine Panorama featured an article on how to convert a 964 C4 to a C2 in order to get a way from potential problems with the 964 AWD system. Kanitz 20:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Classification

I believe the 959 is an undisputed supercar and should be classed as such. [[User:Wikiarrangement] seems intent on classifing it as a sportscar because I was involved in a discussion that resulted in the Nissan GT-R being labeled as a sports car and I list the 959 as one of my favorite cars, a clear violation of WP:POINT. I have provided the following references from reliable source all of which class the 959 as a supercar. The result of the discusion on the GT-R talk page was to reserve the supercar label for clear cut examples and based on the number of sources that use the super car label in reference to the 959 and the lack of any sources that dispute the its supercar status I feel the supercar tag is clearly needed. In addition the Wikipedia Porsche template classess the 959 as a Supercar and miss matchiing classes from the template to the individual vehicle pages is confusing. In addition to the list below, Evo Magazine one of the most credible sources in sports car magazines classifies the 959 as supercar.

[edit] Sources

[1] Fifthgear
[2] autozine
[3] Topspeed
[4] Sports Car Market
[5] Velocity (a book about supercars)
[6] Car-Directory
[7] Speed TV
[8] Maxim Magzine's top ten supercar list
[9] Thecarconnection.com
A supercar indicates the car that stands out the design and the price. The performance is not asked. Because the performance is excellent, the "sports car" of Porsche is suitable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiarrangementeditor (talk • contribs) 07:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't think you follow what myself and others have said. It is not a matter of opinion. We decided on the GT-R that if reliable sources disputed a car's supercar status we would list it as a sportscar. The 959s status is not disputed by any reliable source and thus should be listed as a supercar. We don't get to argue about whether we think it actually is a super or not. This is a complex distinction and personally I think that you may not be able to understand it given your limited English skills (I do not mean this as an insult in any way) so I will not go around in circles debating this with you as we did on the GT-R page. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 07:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
The topic of GT-R is unrelated. The definition of a supercar is designs special. And, special price. This is a general common view of people in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiarrangementeditor (talk • contribs) 08:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
You still do not understand. I have provided high quality sources which show the 959 is an undistputed supercar, your opinion does not matter. In any case the 959 is clearly special. At the time it was sold it was the fastest production car in the world, had a revolutionary drive train unlike any other car at the time and one of the most expensive cars available. It is not a borderline case it is about as clear cut as could be. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 11:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
The evaluation of the automotive performance and the magazine is not essential. Only the car with the impact even if the person who doesn't have the knowledge of the car sees is a supercar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiarrangementeditor (talk • contribs) 12:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Your opinion does not matter. There is a high number of sources and that is all that matters. Please do not edit articles just to prove a point. —Mr. Grim Reaper at 18:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
This is getting old again. We are going in circles. Wikiarrangementeditor feels we should class the car based on his opinion rather than sources. The idea that only cars he thinks look like super cars should be classed as such is ludarcris. I feel the next step should be some kind of admin intervention. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 18:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
It is not possible to consent to your double standards. The performance and the number of people of supporters are unrelated. It is a thing learnt from you. Porsche is absolutely a sports car. Directionality is different from Ferrari and Lamborghini etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiarrangementeditor (talk • contribs) 01:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:V, please read. Information must be verifiable, not "true." It doesn't matter what you feel a super or a sports car is, all information written on Wikipedia must be from a source, and it doesn't matter what it is. Wikipedia is verifiable, not the truth. —Mr. Grim Reaper at 23:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd be curious what Wikiarrangementeditor's standard for classifying a car as a "supercar" (and thus not the 959) is. At the time the 959 was in production, there was only one other automobile that had performance numbers or a price tag even close to it, and that was the Ferrari F40. And the car magazines I read generally considered the 959 to be the superior car; even though the F40 was slightly faster, it was really a race car with the minimum effort put in to make it street legal in most jurisdictions, whereas the 959 incorporated considerable technology to make it very drivable at any speed and under any road conditions (wet, dry, etc.). It was a limited-production vehicle designed to reflect Porsche's newest technologies. Granted, the numbers the car put up aren't as impressive now, but they couldn't be touched during the car's production run. And the way I read the Wikipedia page on supercars, that makes it the quintessential supercar of its time. Nolefan32 (talk) 04:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The supercar classification is too subjective, and hence should not be used here for any car. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles/Archive_11#Supercar_eradication and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles#Return_of_the_Supercar_category. swaq 14:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Caneva

I removed the Caneva advertising. It is not even closely encyclopedic. Khutuck (talk) 14:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References

I have added some "citation needed" tags in the article. It needs inline citations to show where the references are used. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. swaq 16:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Production figures

I replaced the unsourced production and sales figures with the ones given by Karl Ludvigsen in his book. Also, the figure of 292 given in the infobox, was taken from the Porsche website allright, but apparently excluded the cars produced in 1986 (16 prototypes and 21 preproduction models, according to Ludvigsen) and the 8 cars built in 1992. It is unclear, though, if the 961 is included in that figure. --328cia (talk) 12:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Porsche 959

I'm not quite sure why the link was removed as the link was relevant to the porsch 959 car, linking to videos, and articles that specifically apply to this car

Is this link irrelevant to the content of this page Porsche 959 Video although i think i may have put this one in before which gives more options than jsut one videoAll 959 related articles —Preceding unsigned comment added by CAR Online (talk • contribs) 15:05, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Please read the guidelines on external linking. The links removed were not specific to the Porsche 959. Also, at least one of the pages required Flash. Wikipedia is not designed to be a collection of links. swaq 15:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)