Talk:Poem of the Man God

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[edit] Imprimatur

The introduction says the poem has received the imprimatur of several bishops, but then the citation links to only one. Needs more citations throughout if it is to make these claims about this controversial topic. Most of the body does not have specific citations, and the references themselves are not numbered for referene. Carinamc (talk) 06:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The other is Archbishop Soosa Pakiam of India and I am pretty sure I have a hard copy record of a 3rd one, some Cardinal also from outside Italy. I will look for that, but I added the link for Pakiam. History2007 (talk) 09:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, some of the critical citations you added, used to be on the Valtorta page if you look carefully at the histories there too. There are some people who routinely remove those. So be ready to deal with that side of the story too. I have actually had to "tone down" some of the edits of some Valtorta supprters on her page, to make it balanced. As for the merging of the biographical parts, with Valtorta's page I think you have a good idea. But I will wait until you post the "new references" you find on this talk page and then I will edit both pages in detail. Thanks History2007 (talk) 10:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Thanks to users who added citations for the article. It's much better now, and readers can more effectively decide for themselves how to interpret the history of the work. I would also like to say that having in my hand the book by Roschini gives me much more confidence in some of the other claims. (It finally came from inter-library loan.) In it, it is very clear both that Roschini was a devout priest and scholar who found profound insight in Valtorta's work and that the Church appreciated his research and writings on the subject. It should pointed out, though, that he reminds readers that the position of the Church is that private revelations cannot contradict "public revelations." It seems that the best course of action for any practicing Catholic attempting to determine whether it is permissible to read the Poem consult his or her priest. Others, though, should decide for themselves.

Because this article has undergone so much scrutiny, I repeat my suggestion that the pages on Maria Valtora herself and this current page be combined, mainly using the current article.Carinamc (talk) 22:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I am already mapping out the partial merger of the two pages. But there is more material on Valtorta to be added to her page, so there will still need to be two pages, but more on her life on her page and more on the book on this page. But I had to add references to this page first, because the merger will be easier that way. It will take a few weeks to do it right, but I will do it. As for Roschini, that is the interesting thing about Valtorta's writing: The Mariologists are impressed by the Mariology, the geologists are impressed by her geology and I read somewhere that an endocrinologist was impressed by the details of the convulsions during crucifixion that she depicted in detail. So, after you have finished reading Roschini, perhaps you should consider reading Valtorta. Regards History2007 (talk) 22:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roschini

I created a page for Gabriel Roschini since I had that hard to get book of his, and its preface was quite informative. Check it (and my discussion) out! Carinamc (talk) 20:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. That page was needed. I started a stub for Roschini's book. History2007 (talk) 20:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)