Talk:Pioneer III (railcar)

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[edit] Thirty feet in width?

Maximum passenger railcar width in the USA is 10 feet 6 inches. A 30-foot-wide railcar would stretch over three tracks! Irishchieftain 22:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Length?

Is a 120-foot length OK? About 85 feet is usual for US coaches.--SilasW 10:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Seems to me the whole article could use a complete rewrite. It needs sources in a bad way—no sources are cited for the "six Pioneer III" cars described herein. 120 feet would be OK if it were a two-piece articulated MU (i.e. each articulated section being 60 feet long), but this type of railcar does not exist, even in PRR records. Further, "Pioneer III" refers to a type of railcar truck that was even used on Chicago L cars.

The PRR, IIRC, referred to the Pioneer III as the MP85, this being their first 85-foot long MU. The Pioneer III #246 from SEPTA at the Railroad Museum of PA has AAR couplers (not "copulars" as the last author misspelled it). Irishchieftain 21:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)