Talk:Pilsener

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[edit] talk of 2003

I wonder if the part about Beck is serious or is it some kind of soft vadalism ? Ericd 00:42 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Vandalism or not, it's certainly POV, so I'm moving it here. --Dante Alighieri 00:46 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
One of the worlds most famous pilsen beers is undoubtfull Beck´s. This beer has its origin in Bremen, Germany, and is known to the world, since it has won a medal at the world fair of Philadelphia in 1876. With it´s smooth an yet strong flavour it serves almost every kind of taste, and is one of only a little number being served in green bottles. Beck´s beer was 2002´s most popular imported beer to the United States an ranks on the first place of Germany´s favorites.
Further more, Beck´s beer represents the taste of the young and wild, which is indicated by the fact, that it is so popular in clubs and "in-bars" around the world. Enjoy the Beck´s Experience!
  1. becksrockt represents a group of young people who came together, willing to celebrate with their most favorite beer. Becks established itself upon other beers and so it is no wonder, that becksrockt no longer is a regional phenomenon, but is packed with young men an women from all over the country. at this point, the sky is the limit, since more and more members of this group make their fortune in the countries buisnesses...

Verifying their site the Beck's is a Pilsener I will add to the list. Ericd 00:50 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)

The part about Beck´s is no vandalism at all, it is very serious! You won´t believe what power beer can give you if you really care for it! - Jac Palma

[edit] Sample Pilseners

There are an awful lot of Pils out there: [1] lists over 250 German breweries, almost all of whom make Pils. I suggest, rather than just allowing any brewer to be listed, we should have clear criteria for inclusion: the brewer has a distinctive place in histroy, or within the modern beer consuming market, and we link to sites such as the above for complete lists. ---- Charles Stewart 23:36, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I agree - will cull the list Justinc 23:42, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Culled all redlinks and some non notables. Still has no rationale. Justinc 23:46, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Marketing" Pilseners

I have introduced a new idea: the notion that the category "Pils" is used differently, particularly from a marketing point of view, particularly in N.America, simply to indicate a more expensive or prestigious beer, without any special Pils-like character (particularly the Saaz-type hop character). I think this is correct, and I think I successfully avoid the NPOV of saying "Miller Lite isn't really a pilsener" by introducing the distinction. I would welcome responses. BrendanH 18:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't lager and pilsner be the same article.

Why? Pilsener is a well-defined subset of lager (which in turn is a sort of catch-all category). BrendanH 13:40, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I see no merit in the merge -- I believe it is based on a misunderstanding. Moreover, it was proposed by an anonymous editor in a 7 minute editing spree. I'm removing the tag. BrendanH 21:05, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of brands

There are too many lager/pilsner brands to list. I have cut that section. SilkTork 23:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does lagering improve taste over ale?

This article states that bottom fermenting (as opposed to top fermenting used in making "ales") "improved the beer's clarity, flavor, and shelf-life." Regarding the improvement of flavor, wouldn't that be a matter of opinion? Is it generally accepted that lagers taste better than ales? I'm not an expert but thought that it could be stated better. mtnkjn 14:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] recent edits

Franz Andreas Paupie doesn't exist. Try google, it is a non notable pseudo translation to german (why here?). The Bürger-Brauerei what's that when correct link is Mešťanský Pivovar (Burgess Brewery) including correct english translation in the brackets, Bürger-Brauerei means City Brewery, why do you use german language here ? Saaz (pronounced "Zaats") why spelling here, check original arcitle and search for IPA. Current version successfuly achieves NPOV, but your edits not, please discuss. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 20:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

You knowledge of and attitude towards the German language can't be discussed. -- Matthead discuß!     O       18:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the word pilsener

Can someone explain how "pilsener", which is exactly the same in English as in German, can be a loan word from the Czech language? The Czech for pilsener - Plzeňske pivo - is not the root of the English word.

Personally, I'm a great fan of Czech. It's my favourite language. But claiming pilsener comes from Czech is just plain wrong. Patto1ro (talk) 14:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, it's only due to one single editor having pushed his POV, claiming it to be Czech. -- Matthead  DisOuß   04:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Pilsener comes from Czech via German. The original name of the city is Plzeň or Plzenec, which was later Germanized as Pilsen and since the beer was marketed under its German name variant (without a caron and more easily pronounceable for non-Czechs) it came into English as Pilsener. Qertis (talk) 19:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)