User:Phoe/Archive/September 2006

[edit] Baronets

I've reverted some of your succession box changes (sorry!) I feel the "New creation" labels shouldn't be grouped unless the titles were created at the same time (and seeing as we don't list secondary titles created at the same time, that won't normally occur).

Also, I find it interesting that Curzon had a title in the Peerage of Ireland (the last one?) so I've listed it separately. Before, I did have "Peerage of the United Kingdom" at the top, but actually this is slightly wrong as Baron Scarsdale is in the Peerage of GB. So I've left the first heading as "Titles of Nobility", although it's a slightly uneasy compromise. It makes sense to keep the two Scarsdale peerages together, so I don't really think we should insert a GB header. JRawle (Talk) 23:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Confused sources, I'd imagine. His daughter inherited his Earldom of Salisbury (which he held in his own right), and the Duke would have been jure uxoris Earl of Salisbury, so perhaps someone got carried away. Proteus (Talk) 15:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

For peers who were MPs before inheriting the peerage or being created peers, I usually don't use the peerage in sortkeys, since it would be mutually exclusive with their sitting in Parliament. Choess 22:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Nice templates (for LLs and custodes)! Thanks! Choess 20:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you think that members of the Board of Ordnance should have those posts filed under s-mil or s-off? Choess 16:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, fine with me. See User:Choess/Offices for something similar I started working on. Part of the purpose was to try to deal with the distinction between s-off and s-hon. For instance, Lord Lieutenancies were "working" positions through the Restoration or so; after that point, they increasingly devolve into sinecures. I've been calling them s-off pre-Civil War and s-hon after, but it's something of an arbitrary distinction, and similar conundra exist for other offices. (After all, most offices were, at their inception, invested with some sort of non-negligible duties.) Feel free to mine that list to add to your own. We'll probably need to solicit the aid of users with some deep historical knowledge of the workings of British government to sort out the "transition point" for some of the offices. Choess 23:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Would you like to comment on my statements about the usual style of name for baronets, as discussed under Talk:Baron Baden-Powell? -- MightyWarrior 23:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)