Talk:Philosophy and religion in Star Wars

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Request: citations from the works of various religions.

Contents 1 "Unadulterated" 2 Stoicism 3 Erroneous conclusion to technology examination 4 Goodbye Sikhism section 5 Star Wars and AI 6 Sikhism ??!! 7 Lucas's Comment 8 Essay or Encyclopedia Article? 9 Starwars and religion

[edit] "Unadulterated"

The following quote from the article is quite humorous:

"the Empire minions almost always spoke with British accents whilst most of the Rebels spoke unadulterated American English"

First, there is no such thing as a "British accent" - they speak proper (unadulterated) English. Other English speakers, including Americans, are the ones with the accent. Americans speak English with an American accent. The sentence should more accurately be written...

"the Empire minions almost always spoke proper English, whilst most of the Rebels spoke with American accents" --Daniel 20:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

You said it, mate. Visitor 08:36 24 April 2007

Very well, I've made the alteration about accents in the article.--Daniel 14:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

by NPOV, both are "accents", and should be noted as such. Whateley23 01:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stoicism

There should be more reference here to similarities with Stoicism, which are extensive. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to add them myself now, but see the book "Star Wars and Philosophy".--Daniel 17:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Erroneous conclusion to technology examination

"This concept emphasizes the general idea that technology is in opposition to humanity."

...except that the good guys also use technology: space ships, light sabres, droids, etc.

The movie does NOT put technology in opposition to humanity, it puts diversity and social awareness in opposition to conformity and totalitarianism. The Ewoks are underestimated by the Empire because it regards them as little more than animals, but they are shown to be intelligent beings that can utilize technology: they have a culture, and the ability to create a variety of traps and possess numerous weapons such as slings and bows and arrows.

The movie shows the Empire as misusing technology to suit its own selfish agenda, at the cost of other people's freedoms; and it depicts most of the Rebels as utilizing more-or-less the same types of technology in order to fight the Empire and stand up for freedom and justice.

Technology, like the force, is represented as a double-edged sword with a light and dark side, depending on the intentions and character of those who wield it; and furthermore, it is these which decide how effective the use of technology will be, rather than it merely being tecnologically advanced. Technology, like the force, is an unchanging and neutral aspect of life, but whoever is manipulating it will draw on its dark or light sides depending on what kind of person they are.

P.S. The section on Sikhism is way too long and sounds like a sermon. Rglong 05:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Goodbye Sikhism section

OMG I just read through that, and it was just one guy's personal experience with his religion. Um, hi, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia. Axed it.

Also a random paragraph at the end speculating on the prophecy, made no sense where it was, and it sounded like fan theory rather than actual theory. Gone.

SIGN YOUR POSTS(Esskater11 03:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Star Wars and AI

While the clone army and the droid army were ment to contrast, there is clearly some sort of personality to C3PO and R2-D2. They both show a willingness to disobey orders and emotions. C3PO tried to comfort Han in one episode and he shows pity, ironically towards humans for having emotions. While it is difficult to discern in R2-D2 because you cant understand him, he is constantly arguing and insulting C3PO. Also in one of the bounty hunter novels there is a kleptomaniac droid with Zuckuss who tries to learn about the force and intuition, i think he goes to the jedi temple. There was also something about how protocol droids are meant to simulate human emotion, but how is a simulation different. I think there was something about protocol and astromech droids being likely to develop personalities and thus should be mind wiped regularly.Iceberg1031 02:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I concur. The author is incorrect in his suggestion that the droids lack the ability to think for themselves. On the contrary, R2 often shows signs of infantile behaviour, suggesting at least basic emotional feeling. This author wants to establish a piece of information as fact so that it can be disseminated as a part of his larger scheme of propaganda. An edit seems in order, though I'm not qualified to do that myself.--Elder of zion 00:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sikhism ??!!

This is ridiculous. I don't object to there being something on it, but not like 5 paragraphs! Further no references whatsoever. I'm deleting it.

[edit] Lucas's Comment

I think I understant Lucas's comment about the dark side being stronger. Perhaps he was reffering specifically to combat. The dark side is, after all, the path of destruction, thus it would stand to reason that in combat for personal gain, the dark side has an edge. The light side is that path of virtue and is primarily used only to help others and is more powerful at creating things. For example, the Republic was supported by the light side and lasted 25,000 years. The Empire, a dark side entity, started falling apart after less than 30. Emperor001 (talk) 00:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Essay or Encyclopedia Article?

Mark2680 (talk) 02:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)I do not dispute the fact that this piece is thought-provoking and generally well-written, but it reads more like an academic thesis - which may be overstating its validity, considering the stark absence of any citations or a reference section - than an encyclopedia article; that is, it consists of the author's attempt to make a case through the development of an argument, and this may not be the best venue for such an endeavor. I've no issue with the quality of the work, just its appropriateness in this particular context.

[edit] Starwars and religion

Today i had some external links to provide some background and sources for this article. I am sorry i don't have the time yet to add the content and footnotes now. I'll try to come back later, but let this so someone make take profit of it. Menant (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)