Talk:Philip of Swabia
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Wait, since he was elected King of the Germans, shouldn't the title be "Philip of Germany"? -Alex, 12.220.157.93 06:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC).
- It's messy - the "of X" appendage is primarily for sovereigns of nations with actual defined territory, but at this time there was no "Germany" as such, just German peoples. Category:German kings shows a few "of Germany"s, but IMHO that should be reserved for post-1870. Stan 13:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, the primary constituent of the Holy Roman Empire was the "Kingdom of the Germans", as the title the Emperors were actually elected to was "King of the Germans", and became Emperors only after coronation, whether by the Pope or the Archbishop of Mainz. To put this in perspective, the reoyal title of Louis-Phillpe of France was actually "King of the French", but the article here is of "Louis Phillipe of France". The article of Philip should be retitled as "Philip of Germany". -Alex, 12.220.157.93 08:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC).
- Despite all that, is he ever called anything but Philip of Swabia? This is just what we call him, so don't move it. Adam Bishop 20:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, in several sources and also in documents of his own era, he is called, and he himself calls himself, "Philip, king of Romans" - "rex Romanorum". This makes Philip, Roman King, Philip of Holy Roman Empire, Philip, King of Romans and even Philip, German King (Philip, rex Teutonicum...) quite acceptable names for the article. Shilkanni 14:20, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm. I'm guessing you're a conservative, AB. You seem to not want to change anything, despite the fact that it would be more accurate for it to be "of Germany". I mean, look and Conrad III's or Rudolph I's articles. They are both "of Germany". -Alex, 74.133.188.197 06:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC).
