Talk:Phenibut
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Unfortunately, much of this article seems to have been lifted from a website which sells this compound. I'll work on it a bit. Fuzzform 02:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be under muscle relaxants as well (assuming the bit about its similarity to baclofen is true) 98.197.248.244 03:40, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Good question. I don't think so, though many anxiolytics fall under the same category.
- Phenibut is baclofen with a hydrogen instead of a chlorine on the 4 position. The two drugs have nearly identical effects, acting on GABA(b) metabotropic receptors. Fuzzform (talk) 21:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Personal Experience
Since there isn't much to this article (or stub), I thought I would add some of my own personal experience with phenibut. I use it occasionally for insomnia. In my opinion, it is not a long term solution for insomnia. Tolerance develops for me within three days of consecutive use. I have never had a problem with withdrawal, but I have heard that is possible, but not life threatening, just uncomfortable.
Phenibut does has a long half-life so usage should be spaced out. I would recommend a maximum of one day usage according to label instructions, then a minimum of two days off. One use a week would be preferable.
It does work well for insomnia, and tends to produce vivid dreams, which is interesting, but its usage should be carefully monitored.
When used as directed, I have heard of no major side effects. It will increase the potency of sedatives, so that must be kept in mind. Don't mix with alcohol (yes, alcohol is a drug).
I see no danger in this remaining a legal supplement, as it does work well for short periods of time, and has an awful sour taste to it, thus preventing any drugging of unsuspecting people. It takes hours to begin working anyway, so that wouldn't be an issue. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WickedEncyclopedia (talk • contribs) 03:21, August 23, 2007 (UTC).
I am in the long process of selling my house and moving so my Merck Index is packed away, hopefully when I find it again I can give some real pharmacokinetic data on phenibut.
This is just my own personal experience, hopefully more people will add to the discussion. WickedEncyclopedia 02:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I added the section on addiction and withdrawal based on recent unpleasant personal experience. I found it very good for insomnia for several weeks until I lost the bottle - and then withdrawal was miserable. I searched the net and found many other anecdotal reports of people getting addicted, so I thought it was important to add that section. Sorry to not have any firmer data sources than these anecdotal reports. - Patri Friedman, 05 December 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.189.225 (talk) 22:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Many if not most users would not become addicted due to tolerance and the headache/hangover one gets from overuse. If you need phenibut to break you out of an episode of anxiety, you can't use it regularly. It just doesn't work well at all after so many days. And what good is a supplement that does not work? Phenibut seems to work best when used on occasion. It is most effective if you take it a few times a week. If you take phenibut every day, you may be wasting the supplement, quickly building complete tolerance, and setting yourself up for addiction. We should also note that many people found withdrawal to be a negligible downside. Despite those claiming addiction, many feel no or very mild withdrawal effects after chronic use. I figure phenibut may have a milder potential for addiction that most prescription anxiolytics.
[edit] Plagiarism
This article is entirely plagiarized from an article by David Tolson on bulknutrition.com entitled "Phenibut Science" http://www.bulknutrition.com/?ingredients_id=64 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.123.190.121 (talk) 07:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- This edit [1] removed the bulk of the offending COPYvio, while still leaving minimal, useful information in the article. --Newbyguesses - Talk 19:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
