Template talk:Pharaoh Infobox
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This template is designed to display the information on Egyptian pharaohs, inclusing their names in Egyptian hieroglyphs. All but the name are optional, the parameters are as below (for a full example see Ramesses II).
Parameters used with this template
- {{{align}}} — sets the position of the template: left, center or right.
- {{{era}}} — sets the colours of the template by predefined era: see Template talk:Hiero.
- {{{name}}} — the name in English for the header.
- {{{nomen}}} — the nomen in hieroglyphs with hiero tags.
- {{{Name}}} — sets the common name of the pharaoh (mandatory)
- {{{Image}}} — sets image for the info box (try and 'use a headshot', if possible) (optional)
- {{{Nomen}}} — sets the Nomen – use <hiero></hiero> format, then the transliteration, and then translation (optional)
- {{{Pronomen}}} — sets the Pronomen (See above) (optional)
- {{{Golden}}} — sets the text of the Golden Horus name (optional)
- {{{Nebty}}} — sets the text of the Nebty name (optional)
- {{{Horus}}} — sets the text of the Horus (optional)
- {{{Reign}}} — sets the dates of the reign (use alternatives, if known) (optional)
- {{{Predecessor}}} — sets the predecessor of the king (optional)
- {{{Successor}}} — sets the successor of the king (optional)
- {{{Spouse}}} — sets the consort(s) (optional)
- {{{Issues}}} — sets any children of the king (optional)
- {{{Dynasty}}} — sets the dynasty of the king (optional)
- {{{Father}}} — sets the father of the king, if known (optional)
- {{{Mother}}} — sets the mother of the king, if known (optional)
- {{{Born}}} — sets the year of birth (optional)
- {{{Died}}} — sets the year of death (optional)
- {{{Burial}}} — sets the place of burial, where the body was found, etc.(optional)
- {{{Monuments}}} — sets any major well known monuments of the king (optional)
- {{{Alt}}} — sets any alternatives of the name (optional)
- {{{ROLE}}} — sets the title of the box, defaults to Pharaoh of Egypt (optional)
- {{{GoldenHiero}}} — sets the hieroglyphic Golden Horus name (See above) (optional)
- {{{NebtyHiero}}} — sets the hieroglyphic Nebty name (See above) (optional)
- {{{HorusHiero}}} — sets the hieroglyphic Horus (See above) (optional)
[edit] Titulary?
Why are the various names of the Ancient Egyptian royal titulary out of canonical order? Ok, I can understand having the praenomen and nomen (in that order!) at the beginning, but the rest really ought to be in the Horus name, Neby name, Golden Horus name order IMO. —Flembles 14:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
- They are like this for historical (to Wikipedia) template reasons. Feel free to change them to an order that is more correct. Markh 11:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- I am not sure how to do that but will try later if no-one else does. They should be in (pref.) in this order: Praenomen, Nomen, Horus, 2 Ladies, Golden Horus. Also, it might be interesting to have a field for Greek version (with the {{Polytonic}} tag) of a name. The could appear below the Alt. Names area (a bit small though) or in the main area. See what I did on the Amyrtaeus article for an idea. Flembles 12:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- I changed the order successfully. —Flembles 05:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
- I am not sure how to do that but will try later if no-one else does. They should be in (pref.) in this order: Praenomen, Nomen, Horus, 2 Ladies, Golden Horus. Also, it might be interesting to have a field for Greek version (with the {{Polytonic}} tag) of a name. The could appear below the Alt. Names area (a bit small though) or in the main area. See what I did on the Amyrtaeus article for an idea. Flembles 12:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Persondata template doesn't belong in this infobox
This template probably shouldn't be in the Pharoah Infobox. The Pharoahs should have their Persondata templates placed directly before the categories (and defaultsort), not at the beginning of the article. No other infobox contains the Persondata template. Can it be removed from this infobox please? Thanks. --Rajah 22:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Template fixes
The size of this template has gotten out of control on many pages; it is both very long and very wide in many cases. I've developed a much more compact version of this template. The titulary is now hidden, accessible by hitting [show]. The predecessor and successor are now listed under the photograph; this allows them to be on one line each. The dynasty will follow the reignal years, saving additional space. The cartouches will render better now, particularly the tip and tail, although I haven't found a solution to the topward alignment problem that has always been there. I think the solution would be something like the <center> syntax, only for the vertical dimension, but I'm not sure what the syntax is. The cartouches will also be on their own line, allowing the template to be narrower. The picture will no longer have a frame; this allows the image to fill the space more fully. The default image size will be 250 pixels wide, but the user can manually input a different size where appropriate. I decided to omit the alternate names parameter because we probably shouldn't be reinforcing archaic spellings of names, but it could be added back at any time if there's an uproar over it. Each usage of the new template will probably need to be fixed because a few of the parameter names have been changed, but I am willing to do the work and I don't think the changes are that major. The nomen/pronomen parameters are slightly different, to make the cartouches work correctly, and the "issue" parameter is now called "children", but for now I left the old syntax as an option so at least that parameter will be backwards compatible. Although the transition to the new version of the template may take some time, having the size of this thing under control is long overdue. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 05:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Fantastic, the pages now look great. This is such an improvement on what was there before. Markh (talk) 22:08, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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- Hi, I have just been editting the Khasekhemwy and Seth-Peribsen articles and notices that the serekhs don't correctly show the different (i.e Seth creatures) for each of these kings. I'm not sure whether it ever did, but I might have play and see whether it can be fixed. Markh (talk) 22:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
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