Talk:Pharyngula (blog)

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This should be longer/more detailed than the section in PZ Myers, or that section summarised with the greater slab of information being on the main article.--ZayZayEM 06:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

both are correct. this article has only existed a couple days though, so it's got time to grow. Derex 07:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:SELFPUB

In light of the ongoing discussion and edits at Talk:PZ Myers I would recommend that secondary or tertiary sources be found to assert notability of any information in this article referenced solely to the Pharyngula blog. Otherwise it will likely be removed.--ZayZayEM 01:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think this is as much of a problem. As my understanding of the guidelines go, once you've used secondary or tertiary sources to establish that a subject is notable, you can use primary sources for the content. For instance, if you've established that the movie is notable, then you can use the movie itself as a source for sections such as a plot summary. Similarly, we can use the blog itself as a source for the events that went on in it. Now, this might not apply to everything here, and it would be nice to get some alternative perspectives on some, so let's see if we can find that. --Infophile (Talk) (Contribs) 02:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, WP:SELFPUB doesn't say that you can't use any self-published sources. The problem with PZ Myers and WP:SELFPUB was that the quotations were contentious and contained claims about third parties. Of course, this wasn't the only thing wrong with them, as they were constructed, without real context, and used to portray the subject in a certain light. The only case when including them would have perhaps been fine is if there was a real controversy and proper sources about it, because if you start including things simply because some editors want to educate the readers about what they think is offensive, you get to absurdities like also including things that would show that he is, say, witty and tolerant too, and end up with a sort of collection of quotes instead of an article. Compare with Richard Dawkins: do you think that simply adding the more juicy things he's said, especially by editors with a self-confessed agenda, would pass muster among the editors there? Why should it be allowed in any biographical article? Reinistalk 09:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pivar withdrawal

Just noting here that I've looked around, and there are no reliable sources that state the suit has been withdrawn, only the claims of PZ Myers and Peter Irons. Apparently, Irons learned of this through a talk with a reporter who was going to do a story on the case, but heard from Pivar that he'd dropped it, then Irons passed this news along to Myers. While this could all easily be true, we can't say for sure at this point. There should be some way to verify it one way or the other soon enough, though. --Infophile (Talk) (Contribs) 03:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Then just report what we know - that PZ reported that Pivars dropped the suit. Guettarda 05:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)