Talk:Peter the Hermit

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[edit] why

Why was he called Peter the Hermit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.125.231 (talk • contribs)

It's a good question. Our current article is from a 1911 encyclopedia and doesnt go into it. This probably should be explained. Id have to research it, but I believe he was like many poverty striken priests of his time, he gave up all worldly goods and lived a solitary and lowly life, perhaps living off the kindness of strangers, a proto-Franciscan. A poor homeless monk preaching to anyone who would listen. Perhaps called a "hermit" because he once was, or was called thus generally, since he was not part of a monastic community. --Stbalbach 05:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

According to Runciman, "His contemporaries knew him as Little Peter - chtou or kiokio in the Picard dialect - but later the hermit's cape that he habitually wore brought him the surname of 'the Hermit', bu which he is better known to history." Anna Comnena calls him "Koukoupetros", William of Tyre says "he was known, both in fact and in name, as the Hermit", Guibert of Nogent calls him "a certain Peter the Hermit" who "lived as a hermit, dressed as a monk", and Albert of Aix says he is "Peter by name, formerly a hermit." That's all I have here; we'll have to check the First Crusade chronicles more carefully. (I don't know where Runciman got the cape from, unless he's extrapolating from Guibert's statement, but it would not be surprising if it's just an embellishment he invented himself.) Adam Bishop 07:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numbers

The article is lacking numeric estimates (crusaders, casualties). This page gives number 300,000 (sourced). I came here to check it and found nothing. Pavel Vozenilek 00:42, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Numeric estimates for the crusades (and for the Middle Ages in general) are usually very difficult. Unfortunately that page is...well, that page sucks. And so do his sources, when he is quoting from other encyclopedias or popular histories. (But partial credit for using the primary sources sometimes, I guess.) Just because something is "sourced" doesn't mean the source is any good. Adam Bishop 02:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, expected. Pavel Vozenilek 09:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter the Hermit, mistake in the date of his death

Pierre did not die in 1131 but the 8 July 1115 in Neufmoutier (Belgium). Peter the Hermit Papydenis

Well that's strange...that page has the same 1911 Britannica article as us, but the date is changed to 1115 for some reason. Why should we trust that date? Note that the online 1911 Britannica currently says 1151, which could be a typo for either 1131 or 1115. What does Albert of Aix actually say? Adam Bishop 17:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)