Talk:Personal trainer

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[edit] Advertisers

Please stop adding advertisements. This is an encyclopedia, not free advertising.

[edit] Advert Tag

If you are going to add the advert tag, please explain what you are talking about! Those of us who are trying to clean it up (I personally thought I had fixed the problem) have no clue what you object to. Please be specific, or fix it yourself!

[edit] Pending

Would be not good if that section (Not Yet... IHRSA) would include those certifications pending admission.

[edit] cleanup tag

Phrases like "personal trainers are now widely available for a variety of people with a variety of goals (and with a variety of budgets)" seem very advert-like. DesertSky85451 18:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


That's a little excessive. People have actually been advertising their personal training services - that's advert, and those links have been removed. However, it is true that the personal training profession has evolved to the point where "personal trainers are now widely available..." You wouldn't call this page an "ad for personal training".

See: WP:PEACOCK. We could also say "Plumbers are now widely available for a variety of people with variety of goals (and with a variety of budgets)." It sounds silly because the sentence is nearly meaningless. For example, what does "widely available" mean? Can I get a plumber or personal trainer in, say, Greenland, Afghanistan, or Tibet? People sometimes forget that most of the Earth's surface is uninhabited or only sparsely inhabited. Personal trainers, like most service workers who rely on physical proximity with the client, have to work in or very near population centers. It's best to skip the peacock terms, and just say exactly where personal trainers are available (probably that would be in urbanized parts of the developed nations, at least in the United States), and how much they charge (which the article does state). Let the reader decide how to evaluate the expense; everyone has their own definition of "affordable," and all they need to know is the cost. In terms of availability, it would be better tell the user how to determine the availability of trainers in his or her locale. Something could be "widely available" and yet locally unavailable for one reader or another. --Teratornis 08:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help this article!

I'm a personal trainer and I see so many concepts in this article that are biased, theoretical, misplaced, irrelevant, need to be sourced, or simply incorrect. I've changed a couple little things to help the article, but I'm not really familiar with editing on wikipedia, so I need to read a lot of the rules and guidelines to make larger changes. In the meantime, this article really needs to be reformatted and I want to find out if anyone with knowledge of wikipedia editing has any desire to work with me to help clean it up? 08:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Goodness this article is in a horrible state. On the one hand, a lot of the information isn't really about the idea or profession of being a personal trainer, but on the other hand that info shouldn't be moved to another article since it is unreferenced, confusing and not neccessarily true. On the other hand--I sympathize with the people that wrote this. They were, in all likelyhood, trying to help. So, what is the best way to go about eliminating the section titled "Myths about personal trainers?" That section is fitness advice. It has no place in this article, or even this encyclopedia due to the way it has been written.134.84.136.60 18:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What a huge job ahead!

I won't make the call, but there are so many biases in this "article" that deleting and starting from scratch might be the best fix. Marc W. Abel 02:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Did anyone check the article?

An article was cited as support in this article, and while I found a couple of (mostly biased) websites with the same citation, when I went to the source and purchased the article from the journal, that the fact supported was not in the article. Why advertise for a certain certification? Certainly, some are more respected than others-- but a person should judge which is best for them within the level of accredited exams-- wikipedia is not for advertising for exams (which are paid for so are at least somewhat commercial products.) 68.219.23.250 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC).23.250

[edit] Lower Abs

There is no such muscle grouping as the "lower abdominals" - the rectus abdominus is a single muscle. Anyone disputing this can refer to the EMG data referenced in any book by Dr. Stuart McGill from the University of Waterloo. Furthermore, it is ironic to see the term "iliopsoas" in a section debunking fitness myths - the iliacus (which connect the pelvis to the femur) and the psoas (which connects the lumbar vertebrae to the femur) are two different muscles, even though they merge into a common tendon and both serve ultimately to flex the hip. Does the entire section on fitness myths really even belong in this article at all? What is the relevance to personal training specifically? Aaron Benson 16:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You're right--that section, as well as the safety section, doesn't belong in the article even if it was well-sourced. MrVibrating (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Confused

I have just started working out with a personal trainer and I feel as though he pushes me too far too quickly. I don't believe that I am ready to go full force on a treadmill or rowing machine for 10-15mins while holding weights. I haven't exercised in years. Am I wrong? Am I just being childish. I did workout with someone before, but I never cried through the entire workout and never got to the point that I didn't want to come back. I really get to the point where I don't want to go back. Am I supposed to feel that way. I am at the point where I see no results yet and I am being pushed to the point where I am almost passing out. I thought that personal trainers were supposed to be tough, but still encouraging and have a workout specified for you. Can anyone help me? I don't want to quit. I have wanted this for so long. Thanks.

- Just ask for another trainer. This guys sounds nuts. Holding weights while running also is incorrect on many, many levels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.130.90.242 (talk) 01:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

- I agree, get a new trainer before this one kills you or someone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.138.79 (talk) 23:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

"This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject."

[edit] Certification - moved for discussion

I moved the following here for discussion. It has some references at least. It definitely needs to be reworded so it's clearer, if anyone thinks it's worth keeping at all:

In both the May 2005 issue of Fitness Business Pro and the March 2007 issue of Club Business Industry, IHRSA noted that personal trainer certifications programs either pursuing accreditation or accredited by NCCA or by an established accreditation body recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) and/or the U.S. Department of Education for the purposes of providing independent, third-party accreditation would meet IHRSA's recommendations for accreditation.

--Ronz (talk) 20:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)