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this revert "22:45, 23 May 2005 Grenavitar m (rv - it is not found on the sun....)" is silly; I presume you've been to the sun to collect minerals and didn't find any?

Silly - no. Have you collected peridot on the moon? I found no source for peridot on the moon, although it is likely considering the lunar rock compositions re: olivine. Peridot is gemstone quality olivine - if you have a ref. for peridot on the moon then re-add the lunar bit. Vsmith 16:29, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

== whats peridots streak? == I am not sure

[edit] Pronunciation

Many dictionaries put the "pear-a-dot" pronunciation first, before "pear-a-doe". Some only have the "pear-a-dot" listed, for example "Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language" is very definite and lists only one form, "per' i dot'".

Most gem and jewelery tradesmen use "pear-a-doe", and some are very definite in calling the "-dot" form as incorrect. If you believe dictionaries and encyclopedias, however, you have to conclude they are being near-sighted.

Peridot was first mined in quantity in the U.S. in the area of Peridot, Arizona. The name of that town is pronounced "pear-a-dot".

Thus in the interest of accuracy, I think the pronunciation in Wikipedia should follow that of the majority of on-line dictionaries as "pear-a-dot" or "pear-a-doe", i.e., both forms should be included. Also, the IPA in the original article actually pronounces to "-dot" in contradiction to the single "-doe" form present.

Still, I've corrected the IPA a little. The /ɑ/ in "dot" should not have a length mark after it (it's British English that has /ɑ:/, but in "dart", not "dot"). And the middle syllable is "i", not "uh", i.e. /ɪ/ not /ə/. (Yes, some dialects do distinguish them, even when unstressed, as in Lenin / Lennon.) 91.107.159.113 20:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone seems to have changed it back. Please. The last syllable can be "dot" or "doe", but NOT "dart". That's just stupid. 91.107.169.128 (talk) 18:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I've just been fiddling with the pronunciation - I should've read this talk page first, there's some useful info here which means I'll have to change some of it back again to keep you happy! ;o) I'll do that, then comment again here when I'm done. Nortonius (talk) 09:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok I'm done, see what you think. What set me off on this was, while the word "peridot" is used internationally, there was only a ref to US pronunciation, which would confuse many non-US English speakers - I for one had to do a double take on it. So, I originally came to this talk page because (bear with me, this is offered in an international spirit!) it occurred to me that US pronunciation could actually be unhelpful here. By that I mean, wouldn't it be better to cover global English pronunciation of "peridot" by citing just British English pronunciation, as then a speaker of any other nation (e.g. Australia, NZ, SA, Canada, US...) would automatically pronounce it according to their own local variation?

Also, perhaps more importantly, you've now got a very long explanation of the pronunciation of "peridot", and that would shorten it. As would removing the pronunciation ending in a "doh"/"doe" sound: judging by the etymology in the article, that would seem to be based on a mistaken assumption that the word is French in origin, so would be irrelevant. Discuss. Politely, now! Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 09:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, this issue was last discussed the preceding December, and I raised it again 10 days ago. Obviously it's not grabbing much attention. But I happen to know it'll be getting more views than it might have done previously, via a newly added link in a fairly popular online game. So - I'll go ahead with reducing that explanation of pronunciation to a manageable level - if you have different ideas, I'd be grateful if you'd raise them here, rather than just reverting the edit. Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 09:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)