Talk:Pelagianism
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I checked on the date for the Council of Ephesus, and according to Justo Gonzalez's A History of Christian Thought, Vol. I, the council took place in 431, not 432. I'm going to change it, but please let me know if my source is inaccurate.
Could you kindly make reference to the original works of the early Christian fathers, rather than to the modern compendium Dictionary of Early Christian thought? That would be most helpful.128.143.131.152 (talk) 19:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Augustinian Position Misrepresented
Augustine of Hippo, who taught that a person's salvation ultimately comes through the grace of God but that a person must also perform freely chosen good works. Augustine also believed in a form of predestination, but not to the point that it violated or negated man's free will
I think this choice of words tends to misrepresent St. Augustine's position on the state of man's will. In A Treatise Against Two Letters of the Pelagians, Book IV he wrote this:
free will is assuredly inherent in the nature of man, but that now, however, it is so enslaved that it does not avail to the doing of righteousness, unless when it shall have been made free by grace
I'm amending the article appropriately.
Travis Carden 05:54, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] What is the purpose of this statement
In the article it says;
Augustine also believed in predestination.
What purpose does this statement have to the preceding one or the article? I also wonder what the reference is?
--Wer2chosen 21:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Unobjective wording in introductory section
I find the wording in the sentence very unobjective:
"According to Pelagian doctrine, since humanity is no longer in need of any of God's graces beyond the creation of will,[1] Jesus' sacrifice is devoid of its redemptive quality."
This wording clearly betrays a non-Pelagian bias, which is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. A more neutral wording would be:
"According to Pelagian doctrine, because humanity does not require God's grace for salvation (beyond the creation of will),[1] Jesus' execution is therefore devoid of the redemptive quality ascribed to it by orthodox Catholic theology." 24.116.151.23 16:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC) Aelswyth
[edit] Formatting and number of quotes
I feel that the quotes by early church fathers and by Pelagius need to be formatted so as to be more clear. It may also be worthwhile to omit those quotes that are deemed less important by theologists, so as not to inundate readers with too many details. I have not flagged the article for cleanup or length -- Just a suggestion. Ysageev (talk) 05:22, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Original research
In the comparison section, only primary sources are cited and a synthesized conclusion is implicit. This is in violation of WP:OR. --Flex (talk/contribs) 13:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
