Talk:Peacemaker Kurogane

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[edit] Hijikata and Okita

Please note that the pairing between Okita and Hijikata is ONLY fantasized by fangirls. Anyone wishes to provide information on it should first obtain an official confirmation before editing the article.Nlf7 16:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Please note that your original message was being condescending towards these so-called "fangirls"--whose term is also a bit demeaning in the context of this article. The word "subtext" is called so because content is not readily explicit. The words "subtext" is used when a piece of media culture or any literary piece can be construed to have another meaning beneath the surface. The matter at hand is not that Okita and Hijikata are canonically in a relationship: it is the fact that people see something more than platonic between these two characters. Your commentary adds bias to this fact. 137.165.209.248
While some fans see subtext between Hijikata and Okita that is not entirely platonic in nature, other fans see the same subtext between Hijikata and Yamazaki (Susumu), Yamazaki (Susumu) and Okita, Okita and Ichimura (Tatsunosuke), Okita and Ichimura (Tetsunosuke), Ichimura (Tetsunosuke) and Yamakazaki (Susumu), or Ichimura (Tatsunosuke) and Yamakazaki (Susumu.) In any case, since the article is on Peacemaker Kurogane (and not on any subtext certain fans see in it), such opinions belong on the discussion page (not in the "Characters" section of the article/on the article page itself. ) Nlf7 12:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
PS My original message was a response to an earlier edit. It was IN NO WAY meant to be condescending towards "fangirls." In fact, I kept most of the "original" sentence in the article and used the proper term "fangirls" in respect of them. I'm of course available to discuss this with you further if you wish. Nlf7 13:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to argue the point too finely, but I've seen many other articles touch on exactly what we're talking about. The fact is, though, that you keep adding the "irrelevant" sentence in contention back in. I find your correction a bit offending whether you intend it to or not, though I'm sure you don't mean it. My problem is that your commentary adds bias--your wording adds bias--to simple fact, as I stated above. The main problem I have is your defending use of "fantasize"--people are not magically conjuring this pairing out of thin air: they're seeing the subtext and UST between two characters. And the fact that you specify that only "fangirls" do this--that's another major issue: "normal" people, if they happen to watch this show, wouldn't just happen to see more into this relationship? Is this obssessive "fantasizing" limited only to "fangirls"? I just want to point out that words have connotations, and your choice of wording may not be the best. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.165.209.248 (talk • contribs) .
Please see Wikipedia's policy on Neutral Point of View for what I mean. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.165.209.248 (talk • contribs) .
I HAD read the policy on Neutral Point of View several times before reverting your edit. I HAD spent a few days in the chat rooms with quite a few fangirls before I decided to use the word "fantasize" (which was commonly used by some of them in regard of this pairing.) It might not be the best term, but editing such subtext into the article would be more problematic. (I had re-written the sentence with "fanfiction cult" in mind for a reason.) As I've stated above, many fans also see the same subtext between other characters. It would be too biased to ONLY write about the subtext in regard of the Hijikata x Okita pairing and NOT do the same in regard of other pairings. ( Here's a quote from Neutral Point of View: All significant points of view are presented, not just the most popular one.) However, if we edited the subtext in regard of every pairing into the article in order to be NEUTRAL, there would be too much emphasis on the subtext on the article page. Therefore, I've deleted the problematic sentence. Nlf7 02:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
PS Please do not take things out of the context. In an earlier version, the editor had written "often hinted as being more than just platonic in nature" (as if it was "official") in regard of the Hijikata x Okita pairing. The "only" in my commentary was referring to the fact that it wasn't intended by the production company, not specifying only "fangirls" would see more into this relationship. Nlf7 06:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geisha

Geisha are not prostitutes! One could tell by Akesato's DRESS, that she is a courtesan rather than a geisha! Nlf7 05:11, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Ichimura Brothers

Ichimura Tetsunosuke and Ichimura Tatsunosuke actually existed. However, they joined the Shinsengumi in1867, not 1864. Nlf7 20:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Passing the Torch

Why did ADV Manga pass it to Tokyopop; whom still doesn't have the title listed on their site?