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[edit] FairTax

I wanted to comment on your recent post to the FairTax article under predicted effects. You added a well written argument about the FairTax promoting used goods and a movement to a re-usable society. However, I did not see any references or sources to support the statement. I've been studying the FairTax for several years and while hearing this suggestion before, I've never seen any research or economic data to suggest this would occur. I've always thought it to be orginal research and not appropriate for the article. While very utopian, it seems to go against the principals of the Free Market and the forces discussed under the section "Value of used goods". I'm going to add a {{fact}} tag for the moment but it will probably be removed soon if there are no sources added to support the theory. Sorry - I don't mean to bite the newcomers and I thank you for your contributions. Morphh ^(talk) 02:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I've moved this entry to the talk page of the article under the section titled "Sections that need sources" under "Predicted effects". We can address it on the talk and then move it into the article Predicted effects of the FairTax if found to be valid. Thanks Morphh ^(talk) 05:22, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to move this discussion to the article talk page so others can participate in the exchange. Morphh ^(talk) 00:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I found this recent video with the Chairman at FairTax.org that gets the question - "I believe the FairTax does encourage recycling, does it not?" - He answers yes. So, I'll have to look into this further. Your paragraph is still on the talk page for sections needing sources. Thanks, Morphh ^(talk) 21:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the 8-month delayed response! I don't know of any research or sources to back up my suppositions. I really do just believe it is logical. I have posted my arguments for the environmental friendliness of the Fairtax on my own e-commerce site (because I can!) - http://www.greenearthmarket.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=1#fairtax - check them out, chew on them, see if you buy it and see if you have any brainstorms. Pbgiv 14:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I have heard additional people make this statement. I believe Mike Gravel was one of them or perhaps one of the Republican 2008 candidates. I still haven't seen any research but a statement may be sufficent enough. I guess it comes down to WP:WEIGHT. Is it significant enough for the topic to include in the article. I'd like to find it printed in a third party publication. I'll continue to pay attention for mention of this, so I can work to include it. If you find anything, let me know. You can link back to your talk page by using the User talk:Pbgiv tag and link to a subsection using the # Morphh ^(talk) 17:12, 04 September 2007 (UTC)

I read your web site entry regarding FairTax environment friendly - excellent! I've thought about each of these at some point but when you put it all together like that - it really makes sense. What I'm thinking is we take a couple comments for those that have said it would help the environment but also include some of your ideas. For example, we could say that economists expect the FairTax will make the United States more attactive to foriegn manufacters...,[source] which could decrease production in heavily polluting countries like China with poor or no environmental regulation.[source] So perhaps we don't need a source saying the entire thing but one saying the FairTax would bring companies to the U.S. and then another source saying that companies moving to the U.S. could decrease environmental damage. If we're careful not to turn it into a statement that the FairTax would ..., but provide a statement that allowed the reader to easily see the conclusion - I think we would avoid original research. Morphh ^(talk) 16:29, 05 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the best place for this entry may be Predicted effects of the FairTax: Other indirect effects. We could then put a summary in the main article. Morphh ^(talk) 12:48, 06 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FYI : Related to Ethical Consumerism

Reading your EC related edits.

Thought you might want to give me your perspective on this idea I posted in the Proposal section of Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Unique_Wiki_Labeling_on_.2AAll.2A_Consumer_Products_and_Ads

What do you think?

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