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[edit] Original conversation

I don't see how the story extract informs the reader about Paul Bunyan. I think it should be removed or replaced with a more relevant extract. pomegranate 19:16, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Bunyan's historical mythological roots

I have performed a certain study of european myth and folklore in North America and found that many ties to New France can be linked to the development of the myth of Paul Bunyan. Does anyone else have information to contribute ?

Benjamin Britten and W H Auden made an opera about Paul. It included the couplet "when you looked at her bosom, you couldn't fail/ to see it was built on a generous scale"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acadian#Legend

[edit] Redirects and disambiguation

Current situation:

Paul Bunyan redirects to Paul Bunyan (disambiguation), which includes a link to Paul Bunyan (lumberjack) and other references.

Proposal:

Move content of Paul Bunyan (lumberjack) BACK to Paul Bunyan and include link to the disambiguation page at the top. I think this is the standard way to do it when there's little doubt what someone is searching for.

Powers 12:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Agree, and I have no idea why someone moved this article last night without bringing up a proposal on the talk page first. ~CS 14:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Agree - Move Paul Bunyan (lumberjack) back and link to disambig from there. Sulfur 17:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Agree. Don't be so hard on the creator of the disambiguation page. This is a trivial matter, and it is often very difficult to guage the relative notability of articles linked from disambiguation pages. --TantalumTelluride 00:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh yes, I agree. Just to be clear -- no one disagrees with the creation of Paul Bunyan (disambiguation), just the move of the main article. Usually such drastic moves are discussed a little before the actual move takes place. But as you say, it's trivial. ~CS 03:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Concur. That's why I contacted him first and then put this up for a consensus before just reverting his change. =) Powers 01:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
  • That's what I meant. I was referring to the page move from Paul Bunyan to Paul Bunyan (lumberjack). The creator of the disambig page happens to be the same user who performed the move. I meant to defend his actions rather than question yours. Forgive me if my comment was out of line. Thank you all for not yelling at me like everyone else has lately. --TantalumTelluride 03:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Err... sorry everyone. :-( My mistake. I now agree it should be moved. Maybe I can make it better by redirecting Paul Bunyan to Paul Bunyan (lumberjack) and adding a disambiguation message. Tell me how it is after I make the changes. Moe ε 22:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Change

Like I stated above, I decided to make a change and would like to get input what you all think. Since the main conflict was Paul Bunyan redirecting to Paul Bunyan (disambiguation). I redirected Paul Bunyan to Paul Bunyan (lumberjack). At the top of Paul Bunyan (lumberjack), I added a message stating that Paul Bunyan redirected there and for other uses to see the disambiguation page. Thoughts? Moe ε 22:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. I wouldn't have done it that way, but that works fine. My way would have required an admin. --TantalumTelluride 22:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
We could still discuss your proposal if you want. Moe ε 22:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking that we would have to delete the history of Paul Bunyan to make room for the move of Paul Bunyan (disambiguation) back to Paul Bunyan. It's hard to explain now that you've already fixed everything. My method would have required sysop rights for the deletion, but yours is perfectly fine because I've seen it many times in other articles. --TantalumTelluride 22:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Sounds complicated :-D Seriously, whatever you feel it best, thats what should be done. Glad I could help fix my already stupid mistake. Moe ε 23:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I moved Paul Bunyan (lumberjack) back to Paul Bunyan and am working on the links now. NoSeptember talk 00:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
That's what I was talking about. Well, that's what I was trying to talk about. Thanks. --TantalumTelluride 00:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


It's my understanding that Paul Bonyan dragged his axe to create the Grand Canyon in Pennsylvania, and not the Grand Canyon in Colorado... where the link goes to. It should probably be, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Canyon_of_Pennsylvania But I see nothing there about it as well. I have been to the Grand Canyon of PA and there is an historical marker there mentioning this legend.

[edit] The Bunyans

Good idea, but I really feel this has no place in an article for an encyclopedia. Dangermouse29 15:14 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Babe vs. Blue

Is there some controversy over Babe's name of which I'm unaware? Powers T 15:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Being a folktale, it's certainly conceivable that there are versions of the story out there where the ox is named "Blue" -- however every version I'm aware of the name is "Babe." ~CS 17:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


i dont think that is controversy because im doing a study over this story and i understant how in every vision there is always BABE and i guess he was trying to stay away with that to get oyu thinking about BABE THE BLUE OX

[edit] Link to "Iron John"

This link says it is to "Iron John of Michigan" but the link actually goes to the Grimm's tale. Is there a separate legend from Michigan? If so, we should correct the link. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 21:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hoodwinked

Under "recent fiction" it could be added that he's featured in the animated film "Hoodwinked". One of the four main characters is auditioning for a role in an adverticement for "Paul Bunyan's footcream" and so he has to act like a wood cutter (which spawns a number of problems). The slogan for the ad is: "Paul Bunyan's footcream has the soothing formula to make the bunions head for the hills (or heels)". Dec 1, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.73.100.151 (talk • contribs).

That's a passing reference at best. Powers T 15:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. The actual name of the mythical product is "Paul's Bunion Cream", which makes it even more passing. Merenta 14:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fiction

I'm thinking of changing "In recent fiction" to "In Popular Fiction" since there are also non-recent references to Paul Bunyan. Afterwards, I'll add about the Breath of Fire III character of the same name. Any objections? Nightmare77 (talk) 00:56, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the entire thing should be changed to a more generic 'Modern' group, although I have no idea what to call it. Beyond the book and video game refs, there's been at least one animated short by Disney on him, and I'd be surprised if there arent other versions running around. Dshaffer111 (talk) 11:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Earlier mention

The American Dialect Society e-mail list produced the following: 4 August 1904 Duluth (MN) News Tribune, pg. 4: His pet joke and the one with which the green horn at the camp is sure to be tried, consists of a series of imaginative tales about the year Paul Bunyan lumbered in North Dakota. The great Paul is represented as getting out countless millions of timber in the year of the "blue snow." DCDuring (talk) 11:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

akls67.183.254.140 (talk) 03:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC) jmau