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[edit] Request for Arbitration

You have been named as a party at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Prem Rawat ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, John Vandenberg (talk) 02:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] just a note...

Hey where are all the flames on this page? I expected there to more here! :) Anyways, I just wanted to say, regardless of it's acceptability/appropriateness/whatever on the PR discussion page, that as a historian I found your related experiences that you recently posted to be quite interesting and somewhat enlightening. Generally speaking, I see problems with any group who uses secrecy as a primary tool against scrutiny. Thanks again.-- Maelefique (talk) 15:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ArbCom case

You have linked the wrong archive for my comments about formal mediation. The evidence should point to Talk:Prem_Rawat/Archive_25#Mediation. Vassyana (talk) 16:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

You have been noticeably yet tolerably uncivil at the Prem Rawat case pages, but this comment in particular is manifestly inappropriate. I have blocked you from editing for 24 hours; if after that time you continue to be unable to state your case without resorting to such comments then you will be blocked again. --bainer (talk) 14:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Resources on former MPs

There's a welter of easily available information on former Members of Parliament. You will find basic information on their career in most large reference libraries. All MPs have been included in "Who's Who", and on their death are removed to "Who Was Who" with a note of the date of their passing. If they do not have the print version, then there is an online database to which libraries subscribe. In addition, M. Stenton and S. Lees published in 1979-81 a four volume set called "Who's Who of British MPs" which is compiled from entries in the specialist "Dod's Parliamentary Companion". Your grandfather's entry in this book goes like this:

CLARKE, Frank Edward. Canmore, 33 Park Crescent, Erith, Kent. St. Andrew's. S. of Herbert William Clarke, Esq., of Erith, Kent, Merchant and Accountant. B. 21 November 1886; m. 18 April 1914, Hilda Mary, d. of Harold Strickland, Esq., of Dartford. Educ. at Dartford Grammar School, and at the University of London. An Industrialist. Managing Director of Herbert W. Clarke and Sons (Erith) Limited; a Freeman of the Port of London; J.P., and County Councillor for Kent, Alderman 1938; Chairman of Erith Urban District Council Finance Committee. Commissioner of Boy Scout Movement for 21 years. Commodore of Erith Yacht Club. A Unionist. Elected for the Dartford division of Kent in October 1931 and again in November 1935. Sat until his death on 12 July 1938.

For more interesting information on the Parliamentary career of MPs, The Times Digital Archive is a very valuable resource. Most public libraries have a subscription, and some allow their members off-site access. The Times covered all Parliamentary proceedings in this era, often including lengthy summaries of speeches. A search of "Clarke Dartford" brings up some interesting references and his Times obituary (13 July 1938). The full record of Parliamentary proceedings, Hansard, is only in the very biggest libraries (it's on open shelves in the Social Sciences part of the British Library) but is the place to go for the full monty. You need a reader's ticket to get in so this is not always practical.

Hansard is in the process of digitising its records but there is an experimental site which has a patchy online record of what has been done so far. It's here; I wasn't able to find anything on Frank Clarke in it but more information may be added later. Other sources to try, if you can get access to them, are the published diaries of active politicians of the period. As Frank Clarke was a Unionist, you might try 'Chips' Channon. Local newspapers from Dartford and Erith will be in the British Library's Newspaper Library at Colindale in North London, and probably in local history departments in Bexley as well; they will have reported on the activities of their MP. Sam Blacketer (talk) 22:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page etiquette

Like any group, Wikipedia has norms of behavior. One of these is to "comment on the edit, not the editor". It's OK to say "that was a stupid edit", it's not OK to say "you are stupid for making that edit". I'd like to say that Wikipedia values terseness in talk page comments, but that's not always the case. However I can say that long comments often don't get read fully. Lastly, remember that the purpose of article talk pages is to discuss improvements to the articles. It's not to discuss the other editors, and it's not even to disucs the subject of the article. It's OK to say, "We need to add more material to this article about the Belgian sneak attacks", it's not OK to say, "I think the Belgians like sneak attacks" unless that's part of a comment about improving the article.

Being a successful editor on Wikipedia means working with an arcane and constantly shifting set of rules. More than that, it requires patience. This is a long-term project. It's more important to stick around and keep being a productive contributor than to win one heated battle and then retire or get banned. This style of editing isn't for everyone, but I hope you'll make more of an effort to comply with the standards here because if you don't then you may find yourself banned. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 18:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Will. I'll be more careful to comply with standards. Not exactly sure what particular comments inspired your feedback but I'm guessing I'm a little too 'long' and a little too 'strong' over on Talk Prem Rawat again.PatW (talk) 07:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I see Jossi put you up to this latest criticism of me [1]. PatW (talk) 07:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Evidence presented did not disclose a history of problematic editing, in terms of basic content policy, by Jossi, and the Committee commended Jossi's self-imposed restriction to edit only talk pages for Prem Rawat related articles. Due to a history of incivility and personal attacks surrounding articles related to the Prem Rawat movement, the preexisting community enforced one-revert rule on Prem Rawat and related articles that commenced March 4, 2008, has been superceeded by Arbitration Committee enforced article probation. John Vandenberg (chat) 15:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

Personal attacks of this type are inappropriate.[2] Wikipedia is not a battleground. If you want to contribute in a collegial manner then you are welcome but not if you engage in personal attacks on other editors. You have received warnings before, including from me. The ArbCom decision calls on editors who are disruptive to be banned from editing certain articles. Because you reverted yourself promptly I am not requesting enforcement now. I will do so the next time I see a similar remark. Consider this a final warning. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Even this kind of edit is unhelpful:[3]. If your comment isn't about the article or edits to the article, then it's better if you don't post it. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm getting quite a collection of 'final warnings'! I guess there's some wisdom in not 'rising to the bait'. Ruminton himself makes his best stab at a personal attack but you're only reprimanding me (the recipient) for taking him up on it. OK. It would appear you support Ruminton's accusation that 'The record shows you have contributed nothing of value to the article and have constantly sniped at those trying to improve it.' I think that's a shame and not a little insulting but you're entitled to your opinions.PatW (talk) 23:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Both of you need to stop it. I only learned of your posting because Rumiton drew my attention to it, and I hadn't noticed Rumiton's posting until you pointed it out. I'm not reviewing everything anyone writes about this topic - I've got 10,000 other pages on my watchlist. When I see, or am told about, inappropriate behavior I do what I can to get it to change. If requests and warnings aren't successful in preventing disruption then the community has to take action. I hope that requests and warnings are sufficient. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)