Talk:Patronage

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Some quibbles:

• "Patronage ... is unpopular among voters" is patent nonsense -- politicians are often judged by their ability to obtain patronage for their constituents. More accurate would be something like "unpopular among reform-minded voters" or "viewed by some voters as a form of corruption."
• The example of Caligula's horse throws out the unsubstantiated claim that this is an example of patronage, rather than the traditional story of a crazy emperor and a powerless senate Doesn't belong here unless it can be documented, probably in a separate article. In any case, the maneuvers of a 1st century despot are probably not the best examples of a phenomenon associated with modern democracies.

---Isaac R 17:50, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It's almost certainly considered a form of corruption by some non-voters as well. Let's try not to use 'voters' and 'people' interchangeably here. :\ - green_meklar 16:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Why was the page "Half-Breeds" redirected here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.67.54.215 (talk • contribs) 4 May 2006.

See Stalwart, which is where I'll now redirect it, since the matter isn't even mentioned in this article. - Jmabel | Talk 15:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Canon law 2 Halfbreeds 3 patronage vs. mecenate 4 what us a patron

[edit] Canon law

The section on canon law appears to be a cut-and-paste from the 1911 Catholic Encyclopedia. That's legal (it's public domain), but, really, this is the Catholic Encyclopedia at its worst: erudite to the point of unreadability, written for a specialist audience. - Jmabel | Talk 06:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. It's largely irrelevent to what this article should eventually become. Maybe most of it can be moved to a separate article.--ragesoss 13:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, I will cut it drastically. - Jmabel | Talk 04:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Halfbreeds

Uncommented change from the Halfbreeds being the Stalwarts rivals for patronage to opponents of patronage. I've always understood them to be the former. Citation please? - Jmabel | Talk 03:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Not a lot citable online. [1] places the Halfbreeds basically halfway between Stalwarts and Mugwumps, which makes sense, and which I will follow pending better citation. - Jmabel | Talk 05:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

i've read that the phrase mugwump is not from mug and wump but is from an indian word meaning "holier than thou" i beleive that this was from Thomas Baily's American pageant--Prunetucky 03:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] patronage vs. mecenate

hi, i'm a bit confused why this article is crosslinked with de:Mäzen, because in a mecenate, the person pays someone without any strings attached, but patronage seems to be quite different. --Trickstar 16:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what us a patron

icametothiswebsitetofindoutwhatapatronisandthedefinitionididntgetanyofthatinformation.....!!!!!notatall!!!!!zipzerozang!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.237.6.2 (talk • contribs) 7 November 2006.

I came to this website to find out what a patron is and the definition. I didn't get any of that information! Not at all! (I am not he) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.226.171.108 (talk • contribs) 15 December 2006.

Usually, for definitions, one wants a dictionary, not an encyclopedia. See wikt:patron. - Jmabel | Talk 21:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)