Talk:Patriarchal cross

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"Some authorities describe the cross of Lorraine as a variant of the patriarchal cross." Would that the the librarians of the Some Library? or the professors of the Some university? This isn't information. Wetman 08:32, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I agree, and plan to change it to say that the cross of Lorraine resembles it, thus removing the authorities. On a separate note, it would be nice to have a picture of an example. Wesley 17:16, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Listen dear people , i have heard that the diagonal beam on the Slavonic cross comes from the cross of St. Andrew , brother of St. Peter . St. Andrew was killed crucified on an X shaped cross . St. Andrew is a special patron of Eastern Churches and therefor the diagonal beam has bean added as a symbol of care that St. Andrew gives from heaven to Eastern ( Orthodox ) Churches ( sorry for the grammar here ) . If someone could confirm this information then it should be added to the article . (who wrote this???)

The diagonal beam does come from St. Andrew's Cross, as it's reported that St. Andrew brought Christianity to Russia. Additionally, although the other explanation of the slanted bar is true, regarding the theives; it should only be mentioned in the Slavonic cross, not in the description of the actual Patriarchal cross. A true Patriarchal cross doesn't have the additional slanted bar in it, as that would make it a Slavonic cross instead of a Patriarchal. Dulcimerist 22:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Does the Latin word for cross derive from the word for torture, or is it the other way around? I thought "excruciate" meant "out of the cross", not that "crux" was from the word for torture.

[edit] Cnut

I removed:

It is also found on silver pennies of Cnut minted at York, England c AD900.

It can be reinserted if someone has a source. This was an anonymous addition, with no edit summary.--tufkaa 17:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Error regarding the term "Byzantine Cross"

There's a bit of a mix-up regarding the Byzantine Cross. What's pictured is the Eastern Cross, used primarily by the Russian Orthodox Church. The Byzantine cross looks different, and is generally used by the Greek Orthodox Church. Here are the examples of these two different crosses:

Example of Byzantine Cross ( http://www.lutheransonline.com/lo/230/FSLO-1134560228-111230.jpg )

Example of Eastern Cross ( http://www.lutheransonline.com/lo/542/FSLO-1134560541-111542.jpg )

Byzantine cross should not redirect to this page, as its design is not similar to the Eastern Cross or Patriarchal Cross. Does anyone mind if I correct this in the Byzantine cross page, creating its own entry? Thanks! --Dulcimerist 21:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)