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[edit] Smallest House
What ever happened to the smallest house of Paterson at the end of Temple street?R. Willemsen Amsterdam Holland.
yes it is still there --Javierbaires1 18:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)javierbaires1
[edit] New neighborhood content: too subjective?
It seems a bit redundant to have the neighborhood descriptions on the main Paterson page and have sub pages for each neighborhood as well.
In general I like how this article has expanded, but it seems like there is too much editorializing in the Neighborhoods section, for instance:
"Many shopkeepers have slapped cheap tile and tasteless awnings over the once-elaborate facades. Many stores also come and go because of the increase in taxes which adds on to the cheap and tasteless awnings."
I'm sure there is a more objective way to describe this...
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Being a Paterson resident, I found the article expansion too editorialized as well. 21st Avenue is not a neighborhood, for one thing, and claiming it "crackles with entrepreneurship" can be rewritten as "is populated by some notable restaurants but is otherwise a distant memory of better times."
Saying Wrigley Park is also known the "Fourth Ward" (in quotes) is upsetting, since the Fourth Ward is actually what it is, and "Wrigley Park" in quotes makes more sense.
Claims about South Paterson are equally suspect, especially with respect to investing and the demographics of shoppers. By the way, most of the people in that area are headed to Corrado's, in Clifton.
There needs to be an objective manner of stating this: "Paterson is Newark without a strong mayor, Jersey City without any decent businesses to attract white collar workers, and Camden without the battleship. In short, it's yet another New Jersey city that has yet to recover from the late 60s and early 70s."
geez, I live in Paterson, but I don't look down on this city like that. Wow. Anyways, does anybody knows the real population of Paterson? I know the city claims it is 150,000, but, I've seen it as high as 170,000 on some websites. Can anyone find out what the real population of this city is? Thanks.
I haven't always lived in Paterson, so I know better, i.e. I know what a real neighborhood is like, and I can appreciate things like respect for others and a rule of order. From the US Census, Paterson had 149,222 people as of 2000; estimate for 01-Jul-2004 is 150,869 people.
they forgot to mention that 21st ave is mainly hispanic especially colombians.......nearly all of the businesses are colombian for example.....milennium express, tierras colombianas, el tipico, metropan, banana king, colombia pan pizza, el tipico bar...etc
I know what a real neighborhood is like". I'm warning you, saying things like that in Paterson, could really get you hurt, trust me. Be careful with that comment. ^_~ I was checking around for an accurate population for Paterson, and it is nearly impossible. The city website says 172,000, but everywhere else is 150,000. I heard that Paterson has a large illegal population, therefore it is almost impossible to determine an accurate population count.
If that comment can get me hurt, then it proves my point with absolute certainty, doesn't it? In reality, I know it can't get me hurt, but merely the implied threat of violence over stating an opinion speaks volumes about the lack of character and respect too often found in Paterson. In short, all commentary should be removed.Scarletknight (talk) 20:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The information in the neighborhoods section is sliding down a slippery slope of subjectivity. For instance, the Wrigley Park/4th Ward info about it being "crime-ridden" while People's Park is "vibrant" (does this descibe it economically? Socially?). See the Wrigley Park article -- this is now turning into a back and forth about why it is the only neighborhood being singled out for crime. I don't think we should ignore the problems of the 4th Ward and of Paterson as a whole, but at the same time I get the feeling that there is some home-hood boosterism going on. The entire Paterson article could do with some good sourcing, statistics and general organization. Alphae 18:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] demographics
if you see the demographics (races) match perfectly, but when you add latinos it isnt ok. here is some data i got from the web.
Latino
50.1%
White
13.3%
Black
32.9%
- That's because the U.S. Census considers Hispanic/Latino an "ethnicity", separate from race. It's defined as "A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race." (emphasis added; don't know why Cuban is there twice but it's that way on the gov't website quoted) See Race (United States Census). --Galaxiaad 08:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The New neighborhood column in this article
Most of the information provided is incorrect and some of the correct info that was there before has been deleted. Some of the new content has simply been made up. I live in Paterson and ive never heard of some of the names the writer mantions. Examples: Little Lima & Little Arabia
Most of the original info has since been restored. --Javierbaires1 05:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Javierbaires1
[edit] History
This article doesnt make any references of the Lenape Native People or to Acquackanonk, which is what Paterson and much of the sorroundings in Berge,n Essex and Passaic Counties was one called by the native people before Europeans arrived. Also if one clicks on the link to Acquackanonk it routes you to the City of Passaic page. There should be a separate page for this former town or it should be explained that these cities are located in the region.
[edit] Sister Cities
Patersons sister cities are not mentioned and unknown to me.
[edit] Jose Torres.
Why is it that the boxer Jose Torres, is showing as the Mayor of Paterson? Cleary, this isn't the same Joey Torres. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.156.38.11 (talk) 16:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
[edit] famous patersonians
I believe Dr. Michael Zakim can fit the academic criteria as amongst many famous articles he also published the book: "Ready made democracy: A History of Man's dress in the American Republic, 1760-1860". A book which has put forth the idea of "clothing history" as an area of research of "real" history. I don't think he should be ommited.
Red Rocky (talk) 22:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
