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[edit] Town Centre

Currently Paisley suffers many problems common to towns throughout central Scotland. In the last 10 years, the development of out-of-town retail sites, in combination with a poorly-planned town centre pedestrianisation and an unfathomable one-way road system around the town centre, has led to a loss of many retail outlets and poor access to the town centre. The once bustling High Street of Paisley is a shadow of its former self. This is a result of unimaginative local government-sanctioned town planning. Many of the town's citizens feel that they deserve better.

Whilst I'm inclined to agree with the sentiment, this is clearly opinionated. Perhaps someone more familiar with the town's current situation than I am could rewrite it? - Hayter 16:37, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I fiercely agree with this sentiment, and would like to add my distaste to the way our 'local government' handles its affairs. I found this paragraph particularly accurate! And the neds! User:mrweetoes 14:04, 18 December 2005

[edit] Requested move

Paisley, Renfrewshire → Paisley – The Scottish town is by far the most notable Paisley. Indeed, the others are named after it. Have a look at the long list of links which are currently pointing to the disambiguation page: as far as I can see they are all referring to the Scottish town. Also, look at how many pages link to the Scottish town article compared to the others: by far the most significant. The other Paisleys are all villages.

[edit] Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
  • Support --Mais oui! 04:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. - Hayter 16:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, obvious move. - Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, entirely sensible. Even I didn't know Paisley was in Renfrewshire. - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 15:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Moved. —Nightstallion (?) 11:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CFD

The related Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Paisley constituencies has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for Discussion page.

--Mais oui! 09:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguate

I was pretty shocked that "paisley" directs here. While this is clearly the largest place with that name, it is still a relatively small place. The paisley design is very well-known and there are also several well-known people with Paisley as a surname. I was pretty surprised when I "pressed go" to find the article of a town that I barely knew existed and I can't imagine that most readers will expect to see this article when they do so, particularily those outside of the UK. --JGGardiner 21:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The Paisley pattern is named after the town and it's quite possible that the surnames and other towns with the name originate in the same way, it's hardly surprising in that case that Paisley directs here and that the other uses are in the disambiguation page. Perhaps you've learnt something, isn't that what wiki is all about after all? Fraslet 21:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually I already knew that the design was named after the town. I also have some knowledge of British history which makes me one of the few North Americans to know that this little place exists. In any event, the website should be organized for the navigational convenience of our readers and not to rank the articles by importance or etymological origins (or possible origins). WP:D gives the example of Mercury which all originate etymologically with the mythological figure but disambiguates nonetheless. --JGGardiner 20:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

At a hundred times the size of the North American villages of the same name, the largest town in Scotland is not relatively small. The paisley pattern is found on this page in its proper context. The comparison with Mercury is ludicrous because the planet and the element are probably referenced at least as much as the Roman God. One redirect will help you find the First Minister of Northern Ireland if that is whom you seek, hardly a great navigational inconvenience. Laurec 19:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


Ridiculous. That's like saying you ran a search on Kalamazoo looking for the card index system of that name and instead were directed to an obscure city in Michigan. Ulysses54 09:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

First, I’d like to ask for a little civility please. I’m not used to the Scottish-related articles and I don’t know the Wiki-culture associated with them but I’m not used to seeing arguments labeled as “ridiculous” and “ludicrous” simply because you disagree with them, however strongly.
I agree with some of what you said Laurec. This is certainly the largest place named Paisley. And I agree with the criteria which you advanced in the Mercury sentence (that hits are what matter). Etymology is not, as I understand it, an appropriate criteria to consider. While I suppose that one redirect is not much of an inconvenience, that doesn’t seem to me to suggest which article should predominate because one redirect would work for such users as long as any one does. Our goal should be to have as few users redirecting as possible.
Ulysses, I agree with you completely that Kalamazoo should redirect to the city. The article for the city most likely gets many more searches than the card index system. Although incidentally there isn’t an article for the card index system anyway so it wouldn’t be a real concern. If I thought that this town of Paisley got say 75% of the Paisley searches, I would recommend that it redirect here. But I doubt this Paisley is so predominant.
The only gauge that I can think of which would show how many user would have an interest in the various articles is the other languages. This Paisley appears in seven others, the design is in six, Ian is in thirteen and Bob is in seven. That is obviously a very rough guide but it indicates to me that interest in this is place is probably not much greater than in the other ones and perhaps even less so. Obviously this is an English-speaking place so the English interest would be greater but how much so?
Are there some other particular criteria which you consider? If so, perhaps we should discuss them. Or perhaps we should ask for a third-party comment. Thanks --JGGardiner 09:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
The principal criterion as far I am concerned is derivation. The names of the textile design, the other towns and the people ultimately derive from the town of Paisley in Scotland. Ulysses54 09:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Like I said above, I don't think that etymology, in itself, is a valid criteria at all, let alone the paramount one. That is why I gave the mercury example which is shown on WP:D. But there are many others. Philadelphia and Memphis come to mind for example. --JGGardiner 19:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)