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I was disapointed with both paint and primer(paint)I had hoped for more cross references such as exteriour paint for wood. Is Kills sutable for both? .Is 'solvent' the right word for the liquid suspending the pigment? The word typically used in art and art history contexts is medium -- of course, artists and art historians are notoriously obtuse about science, so if 'solvent' is the technical term in that context, all well and good, and we just need a sentence to explain "medium/media" --MichaelTinkler.

I question the definition given in the first paragraph, since stains for wood also color the surface of an object. I'm not sure if stains qualify as "paints"; the entries I'm seeing for the two online and in the OAD seem to avoid each other nicely.

Good questions; I am by no means an artist or chemist :-) I'll work in "medium". I honestly did not even think of stains. Please feel free to edit as necessary! --Alan Millar

Various ideas for this article. I'm putting them here in the waystation first because I'm not sure of their merits.

  • mention of relative ease of use of different paints--subjective, yes, but almost everyone agrees that oil is more difficult than acrylic, and it doesn't take a genius to see that watercolor is extremely difficult--one stray brushstroke and it's ruined; you can't stop the flow of water. Compare this to acrylic and oil, which can at least be scraped off and / or painted over. Adding more paint in those two media does not affect the paint already on the object
  • mention of Bob Ross, the only acrylic artist I can think of at the moment. of course caveats about his general critical drubbings, but he *has* been immensely popular, and I think being able to turn a blank canvas into a finished painting in <60 minutes is remarkable. Also he was a do-it-yourselfer and a proletariat.  :-)
  • mention of wood paint, as compared to wood stain--one of the few paints or maybe the only one which can generally be removed completely and the original object restored to its original state, or very near it. Try that with a canvas.  :-)
  • mention of varnishes, lacquers, other means of preservations of paintings
  • mention of restorations of paintings -- way out of my league here
  • more info on milk paint. I've never heard of it

WELL: it doesn't take a genius to see that watercolor is extremely difficult--one stray brushstroke and it's ruined is certainly historically true (like a friend of mine says, "It's as true as it ever was" :-) but really is no longer, thanks (in the main) to quality paper. Turns out that most watercolors remain water soluable (DO place watercolors behind glass!) forever, and so you can lift off bits with sponges or stiff-bristle brushes, or scrape down to the paper with a knife. There are "staining" colors, which as the name suggests, stain the paper so it's harder to remove them completely.

"Milk" paint is usually referred to as casein.

Finally, anyone whose seen Bob Ross' products for sale might dispute characterizing him as a "pure" proletariat :-)

Microsoft Paint should be discussed here like this but perhaps there should be its own article? --Daniel C. Boyer 19:09, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

If anybody has some info about environmental impacts of paint and how to dispose of paint containers, paint residues, etc..., please contribute; it would be very valuable. For instance, I assume that cleaning a brush filled with latex paint in the sink is not very environmentally friendly. Alternatives should be offered (if any exist).--Deragon 20:19, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This page has one of the best accompanying images on the whole of Wikipedia. My thanks to whoever put it there.

Seriously though, could we get a slightly more relevant pic?

Just a quick question. The initial description of what makes a paint states four things, binder, diluent, filler, and additive, and then describes what a binder and a diluent are, leaving everything else as an additive. Now, I know next to nothing about paint, but could someone either add a definition for filler, or perhaps remove it or change it to filler and other additives? Cheers. Antemeridian 15:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Surely pigment is an important constituent of paint, no? Bill F 21:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The history of paint has pretty slim pickings. If it could be expanded that would be great.

[edit] history?

The history of paint has pretty slim pickings. If it could be expanded that would be great.

[edit] Paint Sticks

My company recently researched and published an article on paint sticks, especially Markal Paintstiks. It is remarkable how this solid form of paint is so useful for commercial industrial purposes. I believe that our article would make a useful external link for the Wikipedia Paint Article. It has interesting pictures too. http://www.coxhardware.com/Products/Markal_Markers.html Please see what you think. 72.74.241.2 03:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Sally Seaver Shabaka, Active Lightning 30 September 2006

[edit] paint touch up

maybe include a section on paint touch-up and why it's so hard to touch-up some colors and if light plays a role in seeing the touched area, etc. Gary Smith 74.227.49.132 23:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibook version

I 'borrowed' much of this article for this wikibook page:

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I had to add quite a bit to make the page meet the requirements of the exam board the book intends to meet, so if there's anything there you fancy copying back into this Wikipedia article, feel free! Ewen 10:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite of definition and compositon of paint

Please excuse the presumption, but I did an impromptu refinement of the definition and compositon of paint, based on a presentation I have been giving for the last couple of decades.

--James52 04:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Reverted to the original definition of paint. Paint is opaque. If the film is not opaque, it's not paint, it's technically varnish if it's clear, stain if it's translucent. Please discuss if there is disagreement.

--James52 07:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, let's look at the definition of paint, shall we?

Original: Paint is any liquid, liquifiable, or mastic composition which after application to a substrate in a thin layer is converted to an opaque solid film.

Version with Clarity: Paint is any liquid medium, containing a pigment, which after application to a substrate in a thin layer is converted to an opaque, translucent, or transparent solid film upon drying.

Hmm, liquid medium is misleading, since some paints come in solid form. See powder coating as one example.

Hmm, containing a pigment is superfluous since it is addressed in the article and is not essential to the basic definition.

Hmm, translucent or transparent are incorrect because they would then be classified as stains or varnishes.

Hmm, drying and curing are also addressed in the article and are not essential to the basic definition.

Nope, sorry, don't see it. Don't see any additional clarity. Please discuss here if there is disagreement.

--James52 18:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paint functions

There is another function of paint not mentioned in the article.

The function of Identification is used for example (among other uses) to specify the contents of pipework and containers in industrial environments. This is especially important where there may be many pipes in close proximity to each other. Here in Australia we use Australian Standard colours.

Some examples of this are: (I have used generic descriptions, as the colour names may vary internationally)

green - water, light blue - compressed air, silver - steam, red - fire fighting water, orange - electrical conduit, light bicuit - natural gas.

Other examples of identification are: flanges on jigs and levers on machines can be colour coded according to function, coloured lines may define walkways or no parking zones, different types of fire extinguisher are coloured differently.

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