Talk:Padania

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I think that flag does not have any reason to appear on the article. Padania is NOT a officially recognized region of Italy, so that flag represent just nothing. Actually it is just a propaganda symbol used by the Lega Nord. Ciao. --Angelo.romano 15:06, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi Angelo, including the "flag" does not imply any official status. Instead, it is correctly labeled as a creation of the Lega Nord. As long as no one puts in a country template, there really is no reason to be worried. --Thorsten1 16:19, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Not only that, but the opening sentence "Padania is an alternative name for Northern Italy" is incorrect. Padania is a made-up word invented by the Northern League and used almost exclusively by its supporters (in fact, when it is used by non-supporters, it's often said with an ironic slant).--Exidor (talk) 13:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The map displayed on the page indicates neither the Po Valley nor the Northern League's definition of Padania. It should be deleted, or replaced by a map showing either definition, but I don't know how to do it. --User:Wu Brerus 31 October 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Article Layout

Article should have country like layout, with all possible data like population, GDP, GDP per capita and everything else that is possible to find and is usually included the table that country articles have. Or alternatively article should be split to one that just mentions the term Padania and another one that is about proposed new state and has state article layout. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4rdi (talk • contribs) 00:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Radical rewrite

These recent anonymous edits include some useful material worth keeping, but there are (1) major removals that I think should be reversed (especially, there is a decrease in emphasis that this term is closely associated with the politics of the Northern League and (2) the addition of a "precise" definition of the boundaries of Padania that gives no citation, and that I doubt has a solid basis, since from what I can tell, Umberto Bossi has repeatedly used the term in different senses. I'll give at least 48 hours for others to weigh in before I do anything to the article. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:52, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

FWIW, I haven't gotten back to this, but still plan to do so. - Jmabel | Talk 01:36, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] See also vs. category

Pampas Republic and Volkstaat were recently added as "see alsos", I'm guessing because they are also would-be separatist states backed by right-wingers. This seems to ask for a category, not for see-alsos; I'm not sure what exactly that category would be, since the difference from, say, the independence movement in Chechnya is a bit hard to put one's finger on. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

It was I who added those related articles links, with the common denominator being that they all constitute movements with a (more or less serious) secessionist agenda that are based in economically advantaged regions. I don't think that a special category is necessary for that, it is merely meant as otherwise unrelated examples of a quite similar scenario. Yes indeedeeyo. //Big Adamsky 01:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
The thing is, adding them as "see also" links without comment is more or less an Easter egg for anyone who doesn't already know what is the relationship. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Section Moved from Article

I am sure there is interesting material here which could be incorporated into this article and/or the article on the Po. Once, that is, it has been turned into English.

[edit] Origin and previous existence of the name

The term derives from the name of its more important river. In the antiquity the Po was indicated with three names: two - Bodincus and Padus - of aboriginal origin and one of foreign attribution, Eridanus. Bodincus (or Bòdenkos) is from Liguria name of origin characterized from the idronimic radical retoligure bod that it would be for "ditch" which the identical celtic term is connected also bod meaning "alveo/profondità" (R. Chevallier, Geography, Archaeology and History of the Gallia Cisalpina, 1988). Bodincus would be therefore to mean "deep water course", "river lacking in bottom" (G.B. Pilgrims, Italian Toponomastica, 1990).Il radical bod would be a apofonica shape of the celtico pad of analogous meant that it is to the origin of the Padus term. That would mean a substantial identity between the two denominations (tried also from the Greek badus, "deep") that they would have had an overlapping employment and - second some students - also they would have been used in order to indicate two parts of the course of the great river: Bodincus that advanced and Padus that inferior Per the term Padus (or Paudus) has been also assumed an other origin: according to Metrodoro of Scepsi the name derives from the fact that the source of the river was encircled from pines of a type that the Celts called Padi, from the Gaulish term of pades that it meant "resin" (P. Boselli, Toponimi Lombardic, 1977). The Padania term is by now of normal running use and has replaced the ancient Gallia most recent Cisalpina and Lombardy and Italy Superiore or Settentrionale.Ne makes text also uses teatrali like the Giuann Padàn of the prize Nobel Dario Fo, the systematic employment on authoritative historical banns like Middle Ages, or of geopolitics like Limes (that it has quite published a monographic number named "Italy between Europe and Padania") or of art, like Po, sottotitolata "Notebooks of Po" and published culture from Frank Maria Curly. For some years (1991-94) review of "Society has been published from the Italian branch (office) of the prestigious publishing group Hyde Park Group one, atmosphere, economy, traditions", titolata Padania. The term today is systematically employed from all the daily paper (also foreign), finds in the title it of numerous books of various editrici houses (Sugarco, Larus etc) and has entered in the running language. In 1992 the Foundation Agnelli has published a most famous named study: "the Padania, an Italian region in Europe", than, to part the adjective (end) too much possessiv, renders the idea well

—Ian Spackman 21:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Dead link

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  • Looks fine to me (similarly). - Jmabel | Talk 20:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tirol

Why does this classify German as a 'minor' language it Italy? South Tirol is almost entirely German speaking. Ameise -- chat 02:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Umm… because South Tirol is a small and relatively sparsely populated part of Italy? - Jmabel | Talk 00:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
So it is undeserving of proper statement? Ameise -- chat 01:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Everything deserves a proper statement. But what would that statement be? —Ian Spackman 12:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Is it a political unit of Italy? Check. Does the majority of the population in that political unit speak German? Check. Hence, it is a major language. Ameise -- chat 13:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, I am sure I didn’t need to follow up any of your checks. (As a hitch-hiker I was given a lift there in 1972 by a German-speaking—and back then I could speak a little German—driver who was very amused at my puzzlement that he was addressing me in German, and continued to explain the situation with some vigour but without a hint of bigotry.) But I still cannot quite (or at all) see how German could be described as a major language of Italy. A significant language, obviously. But major in Italy as a whole? I repeat: what would the statement be exactly? —Ian Spackman 13:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
This article does not cover Italy as a whole, it covers 'Padania' or northern Italy, of which South Tirol is a much larger part than Italy as a whole (I would estimate 50% more important). Instead of stating "major and minor" languages, you should state what languages are official languages in certain areas, and then minor languages that are not. Ameise -- chat 05:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
50% more important? Yes, from an utterly tiny piece to merely a tiny piece. And I say this even as someone with a friend from Camporosso, Udine. - Jmabel | Talk 03:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
But tis' a piece never-the-less. Ameise -- chat 06:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Sure. So it is mentioned. As minor. - Jmabel | Talk 02:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arguments?

The article doesn't mention any argument used for (or against) secession, as if being Nothern(/Southern/Eastern/Western/Central) Italy is sufficient and implicitly understood reason for independence. The article should be changed to stub. Transpadane Republic could be also mentioned. Pavel Vozenilek 04:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


ste- hi i deleted "secession" because Northern League collapsed after Bossi talked about secession (it got 4% at last political elections). Northern League is a racist and xenofobic party and so it isnt representative of the will of us Nortern Italians. We dont burn our flag and we dont hate our country just like Bossi and his supporters do. They make jokes about Holocaust and black people and we cant tolerate it in a civilizate country. MSI (neofascist) had 8% during 80s: does it mean there was a popular support to fascism? No of course. You dont know my country: here isnt Euskadi or Northern Ireland: none gives a fuck about "secession" and "indipendence". We are 100% Italians and proud of it. There are many african workers in Northern Italy and most people like them because they work hard and contribute to our society: we have nothing to do with racism of Northern League. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.138.64.178 (talk • contribs) 24 November 2006.