Talk:Ozzie Smith

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[edit] Picture

I'm not really that great with pictures, but this one will not do. Can someone fix this? Topher0128 06:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note before someone reviews it for GA Status

Can the lead be expanded? With an article this size, it should be around two paragraphs rather than two sentences. I'll do the GA review for it latr if I have time, that's just something for you to handle until someone gets around to this. Wizardman 14:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC):

I appreciate the heads-ups. I'll see what I can do to try and add to it. Monowi 08:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GAN Review: On Hold

I have reviewed this article according to the requirements of the GA criteria and have placed the article on hold at this time until the following issues are addressed:

  1. Image:Ozzie Smith.jpg-The image needs a more detailed fair use rationale that states that the image is specifically for use in the article Ozzie Smith. You should probably also mention that the image is being used because no free alternative has been found yet.Y Done Monowi (talk) 07:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  2. "Nicknamed "The Wizard of Oz"..." "The Wizard of Oz" doesn't need to be bolded.Y Done GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
  3. Inline citations go directly after the punctuation with no space in between. Go through the article and fix all occurrences.Y Done Monowi (talk) 07:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  4. "Ozzie's mother was an especially influential part of his life who stressed the importance of education, and encouraged Ozzie to pursue his dreams." This needs an inline citation.Y Done GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  5. "When he wasn't down at the local YMCA or playing ball of some kind..." Instead of "playing ball", consider using "playing sports".Y Done Monowi (talk) 07:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  6. "(he never caught it, but got close many times)" This statement probably isn't necessary for including in the article.Y Done phrase removed Monowi (talk) 07:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  7. "However, reality hit home during the summer of 1965, as the 10-year old Smith and his family found themselves in the middle of the Watts Riots." Reword this, since "in the middle of the riots" is used in the quote right after it, which sounds repetitive.Y Done Monowi (talk) 07:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  8. "Living in L.A., Ozzie was naturally a LA Dodgers fan, and he would ride the bus for nearly an hour to get to Dodger Stadium, attending about 25 games a year." Remove "naturally", and add source for going to games.Y Done Monowi (talk) 06:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
  9. "Gottlieb took out a help-wanted ad in the San Diego Union" "San Diego Union" should be italicized.Y Done GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
  10. "But with the Padres' distaste for Smith's agent Gottlieb boiling, McKeon was now eager to deal." Reword this sentence to be more encyclopedic.Y Done Monowi (talk) 06:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  11. "Herzog's newly assembled team roared into first place with a 12-game win streak" Find another word to use instead of "roared" Y Done Monowi (talk) 06:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
  12. "No one exemplified this style of baseball more than Ozzie." This needs to be reworded or removed, since it does sounds POV. If someone said this, then add an inline citation. Same goes for "it's no wonder" and "fit perfectly" in the statement: "With excellent speed on the basepaths, his Gold Glove worthy defense, and aptitude for hitting line drives and ground balls at the plate, it's no wonder Ozzie fit perfectly into Herzog's team and strategy."Y Done Monowi (talk) 05:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
  13. "Smith and his wife Denise soon offered to let Willie stay at their home instead of a hotel, cementing a friendship that endures today." This sentence probably isn't necessary for inclusion in the article unless you can state a reason for inclusion here.Y Done phrase removed Monowi (talk) 06:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  14. "But when it mattered most, Ozzie rose to the occasion." Remove this sentence or reword.Y Done Monowi (talk) 08:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  15. "Ozzie's best defensive play in a Cardinal uniform" Add a source for "best defensive play".Y Done reworded line by citing a direct quote of the play being "eye-popping" from the reference now used for this sentence. Monowi (talk) 06:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  16. "Smith's greatest season came in 1987" Greatest should be reworded.Y Done Monowi (talk) 08:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
  17. "GQ magazine" GQ needs to be italicized.Y Done GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
  18. "Ozzie's place in St. Louis was never in doubt" Need source if this was said by him or another person.Y Done removed phrase in question, and reworded sentence to simply state he remained in St. Louis Monowi (talk) 06:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  19. "two week long illness" Add a hyphen between week long.Y Done GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
  20. "But by 1994, the injury bug was staring to plague Ozzie." Reword.Y Done Monowi (talk) 05:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
  21. "then sat out a large portion of 1995 after having shoulder on May 31," Having shoulder what? Y Done GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:56, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
  22. "To this day, Smith holds the record for the most assists by a major league shortstop with 621, and the record for the most at-bats without hitting a grand slam." Needs inline citation for both stats.Y Done added both references, but moved mention of the assist record to the "Padres" section Monowi (talk) 06:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Good job on fixing the lead, and please address the above issues within seven days, and I'll pass the article. If the issues are not addressed, then I will fail the article, where it then can by renominated once the issues are addressed. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Also, I'm going on a wikibreak until Sunday, so there may be a delay before I look over the corrections/pass the article. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minor fixes needed?

I've managed to fix a few of the concerns from the GA Review, and I went through the article and changed the mentions of "Ozzie" to "Smith" in accordance with Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Subsequent uses of names. I left the mentions of "Ozzie" alone in the "Before the Big Leagues" section to avoid confusion. One other thing I was wondering, though: Referring to the Cardinals as the "Cards" doesn't seem right. Should this be fixed? GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with the revisions; it's much appreciated. Good point about the instances of "Ozzie" and the shorthand "Cards" usage for references to the Cardinals; both are remnants of the first cracks I had at adding the information to the article, and I haven't had the chance to clean that up yet. I'll definitely change all the "Cards" to Cardinals, and take a look at the usage of "Ozzie" before I try to fix the remaining GA status issues. Monowi (talk) 04:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

Since the above issues were addressed, I have passed this article as a good article according to the requirements of the GA criteria. Continue to improve the article, making sure that all new information is properly sourced. Also, to anyone that is reading this review, please consider reviewing an article or two at WP:GAN to help with the large backlog. Instructions can be found here. Keep up the good work, and I hope that you continue to bring articles up to Good Article status. If you have any further questions about this review, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is Ozzie's HOF speech online?

Is there a written online copy or transcript of Ozzie's Baseball Hall of Fame induction speech that anyone can find? I thought the baseball hall of fame's website used to have a copy posted, but I can't find it anymore. I'd love to be able to use it as a reference and maybe pull a quote from it. Thanks, Monowi (talk) 09:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What Pic should be used for the Infobox

I recently noticed that the picture in the Infobox was reverted from the free-use image of Ozzie in a business suit that I uploaded awhile back to the old picture under copyright of the Baseball Hall of Fame. I'd like to explain my rationale for using the picture of Ozzie dressed up in a suit for the Infobox. I realize that while having a pic of Ozzie from his playing days would be ideal, no such free-use image is currently available on either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. The free-use image I uploaded makes it easy to recognize what he looks like, so I thought it would be appropriate for the Infobox. I've been working towards turning this article into a Feature Article, but this article will not qualify for that lofty status if the copyrighted Hall of Fame picture is used.

The main question is; should the free-use picture or the copyrighted Hall of Fame picture be used for the Infobox? I would very much like to hear other opinions on this matter. Thanks, Monowi (talk) 23:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

If no one objects, I will revert the Infobox picture back to the free-use image within the week. Monowi (talk) 08:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)