Talk:Oye Como Va

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Contents 1 Meaning of Oye Como Va 2 Santana version 3 Artist's Name 4 Mulata?

[edit] Meaning of Oye Como Va

What's "Oye Como Va" mean? --Yancyfry jr 04:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, as I don't speak much Spanish, but I'd guess that it means "hey, how's it going" or something similar, given that "como" means how and "va" means go. According to freetranslation.com, however, it means "it hears as goes." That wouldn't make much sense, though, would it...wish I could help you out. -- Cielomobile ^minor7♭5 05:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I edited the Spanish translation, it was poor. Oye como va, mi ritmo=listen to how my rhythm goes. Bueno pa' gozar, mulata=good for having fun, mulatto girl. Spanish is not subject to the same linguistic strictures of English. Additionally, gozar is spelled with a Z, not an S. This is the proper translation.

[edit] Santana version

I reviewed the sources you, Gekritzl, cited, and none of them seemed to support your argument that the use of the Hammond is the primary cause of the song's "rock feel." The McGraw Hill source did not give a primary cause for it being Latin rock, but the use of the electric guitar is listed first. I cannot seem to listen to the NPR source at the moment, so if you would like to give me a specific quote, I will accept it for now and check once I get to a different computer. Moreover, your assertions about the change in rhythm are not supported at all by the McGraw source; on the contrary, according to that source, the main rhythm is identical. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 06:53, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Reply: Thanks, Cielomobile, considering you couldn't acces the NPR source, you did a wonderful job of editing, and remaining NPOV. Let's make this a really accurate account of Puente's original version, and Santana's interpretation (and Gregg Rolie's part, as you can see from my contributions, sources suggest that was important). Also, there are many Hammond organ models, and the use of the B-3 in particular is very important to the sound. I'll cite the parts from the NPR recording that I considered important. (It was an audio; maybe I can find a text transcript.) Gekritzl 01:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I added back in the B-3 specification to the organ. If you just quote the radio transcript that supports your assertion that the organ is the primary reason for Santana's arrangement being rock, that would be fine. I doubt that any source would say this, though. At least in my opinion, the electric guitar was the most important factor. It is definitely the spokes-instrument of rock, so to speak. The drum kit is also very important. They're all important, really. I think it would be better just to say the change in instrumentation is important, noting the guitar, drums, organ, and loss of brass and flute. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 03:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Question, Gekritzl. You said that the organ also takes on the melody, but from what I can hear in the song, the organ does not actually take on the melody; it serves primarily as accompaniment. The McGraw source didn't seem to support that the organ takes on the melody, either. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 02:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Artist's Name

for you non-spanish speakers: all the translations are still slightly off, but what's on the article's page right now is 95% close enough. as mentioned before, english and spanish structure are different, that's why there's no exact translation for the lyrics. also, something that shows up everywhere, from everyone: the artist's name is NOT Carlos Santana. carlos's last name was just used as the band's name, but he and the band are not the same thing. he's lead singer, lead guitarist, sometimes lead percussionist and lead songwriter. but he is not the entire band. its not like Phil Collins with a backing band. or Tom Petty with his Heartbreakers. its not even a Dave Matthews Band setup. its simply Santana, and thats it. no carlos. when carlos does guest appearances or sit-ins, thats him. but if he's touring, he's doing it as a member of a much larger band. so it's not "Carlos Santana's version" or "his album." its 'they', 'them', 'theirs'. i hear it on tv, radio and the internet. but i dont want wiki to make the same mistake everyone else makes. (i didnt know where to put this, since the artist's page is correct, its just relating/linking pages that are incorrect, like this one). 4.230.162.164 17:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mulata?

Anyone know why Tito (or whomever) used "Mulata"? Just Curious Ddddan 16:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)