Talk:Overkill (song)

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[edit] Metallica

I'm not sure on the current consensus about including cover songs in category:foo songs, I was aware of a couple of deletions of category:foo covers and maybe those CfDs suggested that they are for inclusion in cat:foo songs, though I can't remember which cats were zapped so I can't check it out. The use of base-box of artists other than those of the writers will get real messy on some song pages, I'm not sure it's a road we want to go down.--Alf ^melmac 09:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess you can clear it if you think it's best. But if not, shouldn't the Metallica infobox be a single infobox, since it was the B-side of Hero of the Day? Cause isn't a song that's the B-side of a single still valid for a single infobox?

--Rock Soldier 17:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It was second of four songs on a CD single, so that's sorta A2-side :) WP:SONGS suggests that album tracks normally use the song infobox, the section on B-sides uses the same, but I just don't feel comfortable judging that consensus and think we ought to do what works best. Having Overkill (the band) cover it just tops the stretch for the infobox as was, but I did that for those who had navigated to that page via a discography and wanted to give them the next step along what they were doing if they'd taken a sidestep to look at the song. I didn't want to add another box though I guess some will feel that one for the Metallica single as well as the Overkill track is appropriate :s so I mixed and matched.--Alf ^melmac 18:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

(re your edit summary) I've been keeping in my "If we're gonna" - your summary bounces me "If you're gonna" - hmmm. I didn't bother to make another whole infobox for the track of the album by Overkill becuase in my view one box is enough already.--Alf ^melmac 12:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Well it depends on what you mean by "one infobox". If you mean something like this---------->

than I agree with you. But if you mean something like the one below that, I strongly disagree. That's an ugly, messy layout that tries to squeeze to much information into a little space, and it pretty much just doesn't work overall. So I hope that's not what you meant.

--Rock Soldier 17:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Although it doesn't display right in my browser, I think I see what you mean, though the different producers, labels and timings are all dealt with on the parent album/single pages. My last version considered getting readers back or forward on their reading, taking into account where they had just come from, removing that to re-duplicate the info elsewhere available, I just don't understand. I don't believe I mixed and matched the body info, just the what's last and next in line. Wouldn't a plainer box with those be more usefull than duplication of material that is elsewhere?--Alf ^melmac 07:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

So you think that the singles chonology/track listing is the only information regarding the cover versions that is worth putting in the infobox?

--Rock Soldier 13:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Into a second infobox, pretty much yes. If you think about how a reader would have arrived at the page, if they'd been using the Metallica album and singles articles, they'd already be aware of the data in the box, if they'd been using the Overkill album articles, not only would they not be interested in the Metallica detail, they'd be peeved that Metallica 'got one and their's didn't'.--Alf ^melmac 13:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, that's a good point. I suppose then that you can revert my edit to the one you had before. :)

--Rock Soldier 14:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, if it turns out to be a crap idea because of something I'm not seeing, I'm sure someone will comment.--Alf ^melmac 15:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)