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[edit] Number of Composes of Orhan Gencebay

[edit] Matter

CanbekEsen , thanks for cleaning up the article.

My English is not much good for writing a clear article in Wikipedia, although I have been working on tr:Orhan Gencebay article for some time.

I should mention and fix one of the minor changes [you made] in the article.

In the previous versions, it was written that Orhan Gencebay made over a thousand of composes in his musical life. It seems you changed the number "a thousand" in that phrase with the number "a hundred". I am wondering why you have changed that information? Do you have some resources or references mention that Gencebay has a hundred of composes? Or do you have all albums of Gencebay, and by that way have you counted all of Gencebay's songs?

First of all, I have to specify that Orhan Gencebay only sings his own composes. All of the songs in his albums are his own works.

Second, Orhan Gencebay has released 35 singles between 1963-1978, 15 long-plays between 1971-1988, and 32 MC&CD's between 1968-2006. A CD includes 10-12 songs. That way, just in CDs, Orhan Gencebay released (32*10=320) about 320 composes.

Third,if you add the singles, other long-plays, and his other records in movies, the total amount of composes that he performed in his life reaches to about 500.

Except his albums, as a composer, Orhan Gencebay also has many songs which he has never singed, but has let other singers to perform. The number of that composes copyrighted by Orhan Gencebay is about 150.

Totally, Orhan Gencebay has about 650 composes released and performed by himself and other singers.

In addition, Orhan Gencebay said in some interviews that he made over 1000 composes in his life (both the releases and unreleased songs).

I am going to fix that phrase...

[edit] References

[edit] Newspapers

[edit] Magazines

[edit] Books

  • Hakan, Ahmet (2001). Ne Olur Sev Beni (in Turkish). Turkey: Birey Yayınları. ISBN 975-8257-95-1. 
  • Özbek, Meral (1991). Popular Culture and Orhan Gencebay's Arabesk, 7th edition (in Turkish), Turkey: İletişim Yayınları. ISBN 975-8257-95-1. 

[edit] Biographies

  • Orhan Gencebay (Turkish). KimKimdir.Gen.Tr Turkish Biography Official Web Site. Retrieved on 2007-03-27. “1000e yakın bestesi bulunan”.

[edit] Other

Aral, Ayşegül (2005). "Müzikologlar Gözüyle Orhan Gencebay" (in Turkish) (pdf). Republic of Turkey, Samsun Municipality Official Web Site. “1000’e yakın bestesi bulunan” 


Yasakresim 17:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I believe I made a mistake. I had read "100" instead of "1000" and wrote hundred. I've no doubt that he's produced such works, but it was a little mistake :) I will look at the Turkish version of this and translate some things into English. Thanks so much for all the links! CanbekEsen 22:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
You're wellcome, CanbekEsen :) In the next days (or weeks) I will be working on references and other resources comprehensively to make the article more literal and fully sourced. The article needs some important additional info, some layout fix, and sub-categoric templating or dissective specialization too...
By the way, thanks so much for fixing my bad wording in the article :)
Yasakresim 11:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Birth Name

A simple photo of an old vinly single of Orhan Gencebay from early 1960s.
A simple photo of an old vinly single of Orhan Gencebay from early 1960s.

Orhan Gencebay's birth name is Orhan Kencebay. Until later 1960s he used his real surname Kencebay, soon he changed it to Gencebay.

This 45rpm single is from early 1960s, and you can clearly see on the covering that it was released under the name of Orhan Kencebay.
Yasakresim 14:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genres

World fusion, maybe, some others are also ok but psych and progressive?? definitely not. 85.99.74.50 10:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Orhan Gencebay plays stringed instruments originating from Turkish culture called "Baglama" in Turkish , as well the Electric Baglama besides Sitar (and even Tenor Saxophone). Within these experiences in his approach to Turkish music he produced natural sounds with instruments that were played this way before. Neutral critics and himself always impressed on one subject "to sound like Pink Floyd". Orhan Gencebay succeeded completely to blend orient and eastern tunes into one shape in new way he had started. His "progressive" music was understood as being arabesque amongst people except for some as a result his music was prohibited and sometimes limited in Turkey (on TVs, Radios etc). As words can be his music was a protest as well. Finally I can say that Orhan is very rare musician in the world that performed progressive tunes with a naturel instrument (in a way it can be seen how some indian musicians performed with their sitar also). Therefore he also used the Electric or Electro Baglama. (somewhat like a Guitar with magnetics and circuits as well). His music can be called Ethno or World (Fusion) because he used scales from Blues, Rock, Funk etc. He is performing this type of music for over 30 years for reason of art only, not for the reasons like nowadays some musicians blends some Indian, Mid-eastern melodies and call it "World Music" or "Ethnic" just for money. He was one of the real starters of that type. [1]
Orhan Gencebay is the pioneer in Turkish music as he combined Arabic motives with the elements of Turkish classical and folk music. His music includes also psychedelic notions since he's also familiar with rock and jazz music and was a close friend of the world famous psychedelic guru [Erkin Koray] in 1970's. He used both western and eastern instruments in his musical fusion and is a virtuoso in playing the Turkish folk instrument "saz". He even included the Indian instrument "sitar" in his music, which was very "new" in Turkish classical/folk genre. [2]
Flying under cover of then-popular sitar vogue on Western pop records, Gencebay’s skilled use of baglama (the Turkish stringed instrument akin to the lute), electric baglama and sitar succeeded in blending non-Occidental elements in an entirely new and popular approach. And although arabesk was still officially off limits, Gencebay’s expertise as a musician as well as an ability to cut a dashing figure in Western clothes subversively offset by his overtly Eastern-styled moustache successfully bridged all gaps of acceptance. And since his records sounded psychedelic anyway, when questioned if they harboured any “hidden arabesk intentions,” Gencebay could only coolly reply that it was merely an attempt “to sound like Pink Floyd.” Erkin Koray met Gencebay in the early seventies and was immediately struck by his friend’s knowledge of Eastern musical forms, tunings and techniques, finding a potential for further explorations through adaptations of traditional baglama and Eastern influences and re-setting it within the context of psychedelic Rock with Turkish chords and rhythms. [3]

Yasakresim (talk) 21:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)