Talk:Orator

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There should be a list of orators who lived in the era between ancient and modern times. Rintrah

[edit] Stupidity

It seems stupid, that on the wiki page for orator, is a quote taken from the wiki page on orator, about what orator means.¨ Bobber0001 20:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I was just about to say something myself about that. I'll edit it out.

Why isn't Mussolini in the WWII era? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.188.236.204 (talk) 02:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lists, Barack Obama & the Aricle in General

I'm sorry, but the "Yes We Can" speech by Barack Obama is too recent to be judged as a famous speech. Remember, too, that just because it is praised amongst a minority of people at a given moment (Obama supporters), does not make it historic. This is also a current event that is important now, but may not be important 2 or 3 years from now. I have no problem with Obama, and am not doing this from a political standpoint. This is just an absurd "jumping the gun" addition. See Wikipedia:Recentism. I have removed that reference, but also take issue with – actually – a majority of people in those lists. I think we need consensus on what needs to be done with these lists. The problem is that many of them are political speakers, and the fame of their speeches is objective. Others are simply pop culture icons. Beyond any of that is the fact none of these listings are sourced. The entire article needs serious cleanup and sourcing, period, but I think these lists in general need immediate attention. Remove people whose speeches' notability cannot be sourced by scholars or other professional speaking organizations, or who don't have decades of history binding a particular speech or speeches to their legacy or generational history. I am in favor of removing ALL names and speech references from the lists (Pulpit, Other, and Modern), except the ones that can be individually sourced as significant historical speakers or speeches. If we let people add their heroes just because they personally think they gave some great random speeches, this article is going to turn into a lengthy, ludicrous battleground. Thoughts? 72.213.129.138 (talk) 06:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I would go one step further and remove all of the lists, regardless of if they can be cited. Perhaps a Category Page: Orators would be more useful--Iclavdivs (talk) 14:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)