Talk:Orange-fronted Parakeet

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I have deleted the redirect as this is the offcial name for a different species, and is linked many times as that. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 11:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

This bird appears to be covered in Kākāriki, but the genus appears to be different. Which is correct? JohnCastle 22:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

OK on straight google:

• "Orange fronted Parakeet" + Aratinga = 660 ghits
• "Orange fronted conure" aratinga = 199 ghits
• "half moon conure" aratinga = 255 ghits

On google scholar:

• "Orange fronted Parakeet" + Aratinga = 47 hits
• "Orange fronted Conure" + aratinga = 36 hits
• "half moon conure" aratinga = 5 hits

we have a problem as the name "Orange fronted Parakeet" can refer to two species: Aratinga canicularis in South America or Cyanoramphus malherbi a critically endangered species in New Zealand.

I propose a OFP is a disambig page to the two others:

- NZ one would be "Orange-fronted Parakeet (New Zealand)" -sounds ugly though -Aratinga can be either:

"Orange-fronted Parakeet (Conure)" "Orange-fronted Parakeet (South America)" "Orange-fronted Parakeet (Aratinga)" "Orange-fronted Conure" "Half-moon Conure"

Which one folks?

Orange-crowned Parakeet instead of fronted for the New Zealand species? It's not super common as a synonym but is at least consistent with Red-crowned Parakeet. Sabine's Sunbird talk 00:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I actually get more Google hits for orange-crowned than orange-fronted, with these searches:

• "Orange-fronted Parakeet" + nz = 535 ghits
• "Orange-crowned Parakeet" + nz = 871 ghits

So I support Orange-crowned Parakeet for the NZ species. -- Avenue 00:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Heh, "NZ" can be anything (such as part of an URL). Try replacing it with malherbi and it stands 736:5 in favor of "-fronted". Which is only logical, see below. Your results are probably because there are a lot of people in NZ who keep, like, or write about the Aratinga. Dysmorodrepanis 13:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I would hate to see a bird species article with a bracketed qualifier as part of the title. To make doubly unambiguous I would prefer O-f Conure or Half-moon Conure for A. canicularis and Orange-crowned Parakeet (or Kakariki) for C. malherbi. Maias 00:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I must say I'd never heard "Orange-crowned Parakeet" as a name for the Cyanoramphus bird but there are 2 hits on google scholar and either 13 or 2400 ghits on google (google appears to be playing up and I can't figure it out....)

So, we're all happy with "Orange-crowned Parakeet" for NZ and for the Aratinga.........? cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 00:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd say leave it where it is (it is the name used by Gill and Wright in their recent book standardising all the bird names of the world), with a dab link at the top of the page to either Orange-crown or Malherbe's Parakeet, which is the rather unadventurous name that the Handbook uses for the species (Its a pity that Gill and Wright don't recognise the species, weird considering they accept the Norfolk and New Caledonian species). Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Guys n gals, we have a problem here. The NZ species has a yellow crown. BirdLife has settled on retaining OFP for the conure and uses Malherbe's for the kakariki. Which is OK I guess, as the rule-of-thumb when in doubt how to name a bird is to ask first: "is the specific epithet a honorific"? and then simply use that person's family name.

A disambiguation would still be needed, yes. Put it on top of the OFP article and inline it in Kakariki I'd say. Dysmorodrepanis 13:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I still would like an explanation as to why the AOU are averse to "Conure" and "Amazon" one day.....there is a Yellow crowned and an Orange fronted (2 separate beasties).. Though Birdlife's option is Malherbe's seems to fit OK...cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 11:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

IONO. I'd be all for calling the "long-tailed Arinae" that are not macaws conures by default. If vernacular names can follow phylogeny, LET'S DO IT! ;-) Dysmorodrepanis 21:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

That's what blows me away -as we're doing it elsewhere. All the "Quails" of Turnix are now oficialyy buttonquails , Malurus fairy wrens etc...cheers, Casliber | talk | contribs 22:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

As an aside we really need to split out the 3 Kakariki species, as well as creating articles for the missing species. Maybe I'll get on that soon. Sabine's Sunbird talk 23:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

...but be careful as there's a Crimson-fronted Parakeet, Aratinga finschi....