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[edit] One Infobox for so many series.
I'm not sure I like the treand of one infobox on this and other character pages that have one character that was in many different series. You end up with a mishmash of jumbled info. One character has a half dozen alt modes, mottos, functions, sub groups, etc. I think it's appropriate to make different infoboxes for different series to make them easier to read. For instance this Optimus Primal one, his alt mode, if done correctly, should read "giant bat, later silverback gorilla, later tranmetal gorilla/transmetal gorills on a flying surfboard, later transmetalgorills/Cybertronian air guardian/ground convoy, later technorganic gorilla, later different technorganic gorilla, later different technorganic gorilla, later giant gorilla, later transmetal gorilla, except in timelines which had him as a three-wheeled racer." Also, what picture is appropriate for him at the top of the page? Don't we normally use box art? Also should there be a picture of him in his original mode? His chronologically earliest mode? His final mode? user:mathewignash
- There should absolutely only be one infobox per character. And I stress "character" there - there's only one character, so he shouldn't need more than one infobox. Transformers characters ARE a bit fiddlier than other such articles on Wiki, because they undergo such frequent changes, but when it comes down to it, a change in alt mode, motto or series that they appear in is no different from superhero character who gets a change in their superpowers or costume, or features in more than one comic - they don't get different infoboxes for that. Ya gotsta be concise - that's the whole point of an infobox. - Chris McFeely 21:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Okay, well, how do we handle guys with more than one affiliation? Like Optimus Primal is both a Maximal and Autobot. Also, the infobox pic. SHould it be his latest picture? His first? user:mathewignash
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- Whack 'em both in. I'm sure the template can be re-written to allow it. As to pictures, the way super-hero articles tend to work is to use one that is "representative" of a character. For example, Spider-Man's article does not use his current "Iron Spidey" armour suit as its main image, but a picture of him as he is best known. So, that's what I'd suggest - for G1 guys, that'd be box art, as it represents their toy and was the base for their cartoon and comic selves, and it's what we've been doing consistently, so I say stick with it. For Beast Warriors, I'd say their original beast bodies - screenshots from the TV show or art based on it, rather than boxart, because it was a bit more... freaky. They're best known for the BW series, and those were the bodies that they spent the most time in. Primal, though, is fortunate in that he's got that really nice image that represents him in ALL his forms from the series is he best known for. Wish there were more images like that. Unicron Trilogy, since they were all the same length anyway and none were particularly more notable than others, I'd just say "whatever one they appeared first in." - Chris McFeely 22:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Rock, I totally figured out how to make the infobox work like that! - Chris McFeely 22:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Onyx Primal/Bat Optimus Primal
This is apparently a big item of discussion, so how about instead of editing and re-editing the page, we talk it over? I know that I personally have never referred to the Bat Optimus Primal as Onyx Primal. If anything I refer to it as Optimus Prime because the original 2 pack was intended to be the original TFs' leaders.--TriPredRavage 14:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I have to admit thats a new one on me too. It seems to be calling the original toy by the name of the redeco, which is more mistaken identity rather than actually calling it that as a proper title.SMegatron 19:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Kinda like calling G2 Megatron "Megastorm". Yeah, same mold, different guy. It's a mistake not a nickname. user:mathewignash
Without the figure actually being named Onyx Primal, thre is no reason to put it on the page. Already listing the redeco is enough. Wikipedia is about facts, not fanbases, so just because a handful of fans may call Bat Optimus Primal "Onyx Primal", it doesn't mean that it is a fact amongst the entire Transformers Community. I don't want to upset anyone, but that really is the way it should be.--TriPredRavage 18:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I think I can see were you guys are confused, no one is saying that Bat Optimus Primal and Onyx Primal are one and the same. Many fans simply refer to the model by that name for clarity’s sake. It is simple quicker to say then “the bat incarnation of Optimus Primal in the Optimus Primal Vs Megatron 2-pack”.
Perhaps it could be reworded to say some fans refer to the model as Onyx Primal for clarity’s sake? That would be more actuate and more encyclopedia like. --The Matrix Prime 17:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I can live with mentioning it. Honestly, it's not that big of a deal. I just think it's somewhat pointless considering that Onyx has his own page as well, I'd almost say it's more worth mentioning on his page than on Optimus'. Also, it should be noted that if we start making acceptions like this, then we may have to start on all pages. Possibly listing each member of Magnaboss as possibly being their G1 counterparts, simply because some fans think they are, while in reality there is no proof of this, it's just how some fans handle it. Just be aware that this could open up a whole can of worms. It's why fan specualtion isn't allowed; it makes the line between fact and fiction cloudy. Like I said before, I can live with it being said, it's not that big of a deal, but it is leaving an opening for further complications down the road.--TriPredRavage 17:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, actually we already do. Such mainstream fan speculations are included when there is enough grounds to support at least the idea. Each member of the Magnaboss team article already states the possibility of them being the original versions. Much of this kind of concept is already covered, but it’s still good to be concerned about it I suppose. We certainly don’t want it to get overboard. --The Matrix Prime 18:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
This really needs to be resolved on the talk page, not in the actual article. Prefacing your edits with the word "Sorry, but" doesn't help further the discussion. Also, referring to WP:WEASEL we should refrain from using statements such as "Some people." Please read over it and come to a conclusion on the talk page before editing the main article again. Greg Birdsall 18:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Edited the conversation between Cheetor and Rattrap in Season 3
I fixed the conversation between Cheetor and Rattrap. the previous version was wrong. Here is what he really says from the episode credit to youtube. http://youtube.com/watch?v=_CvCNGqmtXc
