Talk:Operation Yellow Ribbon

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[edit] Comparing 9/11 with present

Please note that the airport in Montreal was Montréal-Dorval International Airport, not "Montréal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport" when 9/11 happened. Also, please note that the customs agency was Canada Customs and Revenue Agency, not "Canada Border Services Agency." Jean Chrétien was the prime minister of Canada, not Stephen Harper. This article, as well as the links must reflect what it was when 9/11 happened, even though the links may redirect. -- SNIyer12

How many times do I have to mention that both the article and the links must reflect 9/11? Users are changing it. I want this article, as well as the links to reflect what it was when 9/11 happened, even though the links may redirect. -- SNIyer12, 02:32, November 28, 2005 (UTC)

-because it is your own policy, not wikipedia policy. Text uses name at the time, but wikipedia policy is that links should go DIRECTLY to article, not redirect --JimWae 03:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Please do NOT put information that Dorval International Airport is now Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport. That happened in 2004. This article must reflect 9/11. SNIyer12, 02:01, January 23, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Restructure

As a restructuring of the article, how does this sound?

The operation

  • Situation Centre (SitCen)
This would include most of the information in the first few paragraphs of the current Operation section.
  • Atlantic flights
Most of the information in the present Atlantic Flights section.
  • Pacific flights
Most of the information in the present Pacific Flights section.
  • Military involvement
Most of the information in the present Incidents Involving the Military section.
  • Reaction
Most of the information in the present Release of News section.

Aftermath

  • Totals
Most of the information in the present Totals section.
  • Consequences for Canada
Most of the information in the present Response and Honours section.

A different name for that last one would be better, but I don't really like "Response and Honours." Other sections were renamed or reordered to make the article easier to follow. Once that is done, the two biggest issues remaining is to just fix up the unity and coherence of the article's contents (the information is there, it just needs to be reworded in some places), and to find some sources for a lot of this information. Ben Babcock 20:41, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think it sounds pretty good. Several sources I have include coverage of 9/11 by both CBC and Global, September 12, 2001 edition of The National Post, and annual reports of airports involved in the operation. Also, please do not change the link or name for Montréal-Dorval International Airport. It was that when 9/11 happened. The same also goes for both Canada Customs and Revenue Agency and the prime minister being Jean Chrétien. We want this article to reflect what it was when 9/11 happened. -- SNIyer12, 13:05, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Also, please note that pilots were also asked to avoid Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport. It is a major airport in Central Canada. Transport Canada and NavCanada had asked pilots to avoid Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal as a security measure. -- SNIyer12, 19:55, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I'll be restructing the article also. I had to do so, so that NavCanada's role in the operation could also be included. It is listed here [1]. Info about their role can come from that link. Also, please note that Transport Canada activating its SitCen is not part of the operation, that, as well as NavCanada's role are part of the deployment of emergency measures. -- SNIyer12, 14:56 5 Jul, 2005 (UTC)

Good, the article is really comprehensive now. I had to rewrite the NavCanada section, however, because I found that the section itself was taken verbatim from the source you provided. Doing so without quotes is plagiarism. I reworded the section to paraphrase the content. Other than that, I think the article is almost finished (as in, ready to become a closed issue, you can continue working on it as you see fit of course). Ben Babcock 6 July 2005 05:37 (UTC)

[edit] NavCanada

You might want to create an article about NavCanada. I would like to have the page to link with NavCanada. -- SNIyer12 6 July 2005 15:37 (UTC)

It does have a page, at it's proper name: NAV CANADA. I have set up NavCanada as a redirect. Ben Babcock 8 July 2005 17:11 (UTC)

[edit] Pacific flights section

Ben, How come you haven't worked on the Pacific flights section? I would like to know because I may have to work on it. -- SNIyer12 15 July 2005 17:41 (UTC)

I saw recently that an anonymous user (207.61.25.34) added that a handful of trans-Pacific flights were diverted further inland to Calgary. That user must understand that there were also trans-Atlantic flights, mostly bound for destinations on the U.S. west coast, that were diverted to Calgary, the CBC reported. The user must also understand what both Peter Gregg, communications chief for the Greater Toronto Airports Authority (GTAA), which runs Lester B. Pearson International Airport said in a news conference, and DeNeen Brown of The Washington Post reported: Planes landed all over Canada, depending where they were coming from, how much fuel they had, and the nearest airport for diversion. SNIyer12 16:24 26 July 2005 (UTC).

[edit] Closed issue

Ben, I'm going to make this article a closed issue. I just had to add some of the information concerning the security at the airports, like the RCMP conducting security inspections of the aircraft. SNIyer12 17:08 26 July 2005 (UTC).

[edit] Additional additions

There were other additions I have added since it was a closed issue for the Cleanup Taskforce, like the interview with Chrétien by CNN, the scenes on the planes when the news was broken, and passengers saying that they're glad to be safe, and airports receiving telephone calls during the diversion of flights. SNIyer12 17:44 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Where flights landed in Canada

Please do NOT mention in the Pacific flights section that there were trans-Pacific flights that landed in Calgary and Edmonton. There were trans-Atlantic flights that landed at both airports.

I've mentioned this before, users MUST understand what both Peter Gregg, communications chief for the Greater Toronto Airports Authority (GTAA), which runs Lester B. Pearson International Airport said in a news conference, and DeNeen Brown of The Washington Post reported: It's not how many flights an airport received, nor was it where the planes landed. It depended on several factors: where it was coming from, how much fuel it had, and the nearest airport for diversion. NAV CANADA also said the same thing. It is also in the article. SNIyer12 15:10 11 February 2006 (UTC).

SNIyer12, I'm not sure I understand your request. Previous to your deletion, the article said: However, a limited number of trans-Pacific flights flew inland to land at Calgary, Edmonton and Whitehorse. Other flights which were still further out over the ocean at the time were diverted to Anchorage, Alaska, and other airports along the North Pacific route, such as Osaka in Japan. Is that fact incorrect?
Also, why have you archived all the comments in the talk page? Discussions leading up to the current revision are useful for those new to the article (like myself), and the talk page was not very long at all.
Just curious. Thanks! --Ds13 17:04, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Ds13, I ordered that deletion because there were trans-Atlantic flights that landed at both Calgary and Edmonton. This article is about what happened in Canada, in terms of flight diversions. You also have to understand that planes landed all over Canada, depending where they were coming from and how much fuel they had. -- SNIyer12, 01:02, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military conflict infobox

I have removed {{Infobox Military Conflict}} from this article as an irrelevance. How does this article describe a "military conflict"? Also, listing "Combatants: Canada" is silly: there weren't any "combatants". If anyone objects, please discuss it here before putting it back. --RFBailey 18:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)