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Contents 1 Misc 2 A battalion of the Italian Social Republic (RSI) in Anzio 3 Angelita myth? 4 Re: Epilogue entry 20/3/7 5 Moving 6 Battle of Anzio

[edit] Misc

Might it be good to include some reference to the end of the operation?

Yes. I am puzzled because, strictly speaking, "Operation Shingle" is merely the initial landing and consolidation. Yet there is no real article on the full Battle of Anzio, despite its importance to the Italian campaign and its (slight, but not zero) influence on the Normandy campaign.

References to "battle of Anzio" elsewhere redirect to this article. It's good as far as it goes.

Maybe there should be a Battle of Anzio article that incoroporates this?

DMorpheus 17:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

This article is a mix of info about Operation Shingle (the landings) plus casualty figures for the entire battle of Anzio that follows. The actual Shingle casualties were only a few dozen - naval forces lost more men than the ground forces. I suggest this be re-cast as the Battle of Anzio, with Operation Shingle as one part.

[edit] A battalion of the Italian Social Republic (RSI) in Anzio

In Anzio (beginning from March 3, 1944) fought the battalion "Barbarigo" of the Italian Social Republic: 1,180 soldiers. More than 563 were the Fallen of this unit. Near Nettuno there is a Cemetery for the Fallen. On June 1-4 1944, at Castel di Decima (Rome), fought the parachute regiment "Folgore" (1,500 men)of the RSI to protect the German disengagement.

[edit] Angelita myth?

* Angelita was the name of a little girl, a war orphan abandoned child, found by soldier Christopher S. Hayes of Royal Scots Fusilers. She became the platoon mascott, but few days after a grenade killed her. Anzio's people erected a monument in Angelita's memory, unveiled in the International Year of the Child (1979).

According to D'Este this story is a myth. The trooper who 'found' the girl was not in Anzio at the time and the rest of the Regiment had no knowledge of the incident. I am not sure if the memorial exists or not but the story is bogus according to D'Este's Fatal Decision: Anzio and the Battle for Rome. DMorpheus 21:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• The Angelita's memorial bronze statue exists, it is possible to see in Anzio, almost directly on the beach. It stands in memory not of a myth but of children victims of wars.

Luiclemens 21:15 29 November 2006

[edit] Re: Epilogue entry 20/3/7

I'd meant to add a bit more to my explanation of my new para in 'Epilogue'. Churchill's justifies his position in his WW2 biography and I can accept his justifications. I wanted to put something in there to state and link to his view, as there's a couple of sentences in the page which, to some extent, case some doubt on the point/purpose/use of the operation and the quality of Churchill's judgement in the matter. Which is fine of course, but I thought there should be defense on behalf of him and a pointer to said defence. Of course, the items I've included are not O.R.; they're taken from his journal. I hope what I've said is reasonable and ok. Roger. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roger M.E. Lightly (talk • contribs) 18:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Moving

I'd like to rename this article to "Battle of Anzio", are their any objections?

It makes sense since Shingle was just the landing and the article has been expanded to cover the subsequent operations in the bridgehead, the breaking of the Caesar C line and the capture of Rome. However, you need to be careful how this is done because by just renaming the article, all the numerous links elsewhere to this page will go dead. We need to continue to have an Operation Shingle page redirecting to the new Anzio page (unless you fancy tracking down all the Shingle references and changing them!). I'm no expert on Wikipedia technicalities so I think you need some advice from someone who understands the unintended consequences of the different options. Stephen Kirrage ^{talk - contribs} 12:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Anzio

Should this be a redirect or a new article? It is a stub on pl wiki (pl:Bitwa pod Anzio).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)