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Dabljuh, "About 1.700.000 human beings were murdered, most of them Jews" expresses essential facts about the killing. Operation Reinhard was directed against Jews specifically, and while not every person killed was Jewish, most were. So this is an important factual detail to include in the first paragraph.

I believe you are reading meaning into the phrase which is not there. It does not have connotations about the morality of the act; it simply denotes an essential fact.

I'm restoring the post-comma phrase, but leaving "human beings" as "people," which I think both sounds more objectively factual, and may alleviate your concern about the connotations of the sentence.

During the operation, about 1.700.000 human beings were murdered, most of them Jews.

... Who was the smartass who had the idea to point out that jews are human beings too? I mean seriously, "Oh, as long as most of the human beings were jews".... I'll change it to 1.700.000 people were murdered

Re: the last edits. I removed Zykonb B reference. The change of the number of victims comes from the Hoefle telegram and the info about the deportations in Arad's book.

[I find this confusing? Was Operation Reinhard the assassination plot? Or was it the death camps? Or something else?]

I hope it is more clear now.

--Korpo

I am not happy with Korpo's conclusion: utilising gas for killing people to abstract the act of killing, goes for the Euthanasia programm (T-4) as well. But that already was done over two years before "Operation Reinhardt". T-4 was clearly the prototype for "Reinhardt", they developed the technology of stationary gas chambers by using carbonmonoxide gas from industrial pressure bottles, they transfered almost all of their male personnell including all commanders to the Reinhardt camps, for economic and transport reasons they adapted their killing method to the situation in the East by choosing petrol (not Diesel) engines of big lorries or tanks to generate the CO gas. If that is so (any scholar known who would object?), are we really entitled to talk about "Aktion Reinhardt" as "the start of an industrialized mass murder formerly not known to mankind"? P. Witte 16:52, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Is there any evidence that petrol engines were used for the gassings? I thought the Russian tank engines (used for stationary gas chambers) and gas vans only used diesel as stated by the witnesses and in other transcribed documents that I have seen referred to.

Another little problem. The description of what was the source of the CO in the gas chambers is not clear. Was it bottled CO manufactured elsewhere and pumped in, or was it directly from the exhaust of a stationary diesel engine on a static platform (as it appears to be decribed by Gerstein's account). The description on the page misses these details entirely. Also is the name Reinhard or Reinhardt?

The first vans used CO pumped in from a cylinder, later ones used engine exhaust. The first type was a development from the T4 'euthanasia' program. (sources: Allan Bullock, 'Hitler and Stalin', 1993, p 811 and 821-22). Most of the Reinhard camps used engine exhaust.
The name is properly Reinhard, after Reinhard Heydrich, but is occasionally spelled with a 't' in Nazi documents and elsewhere. --Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 08:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Where and when did operation Reinhard use Zyklon B? I do not believe it. Can somebody please provide references within in a week. Otherwise I will remove it. Andries 10:32, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The former version of this article was rank with casual discourse and misplaced information. Therefore, I have redone most of the text. Someone should go over the information and make sure that nothing important is missing, as I removed a lot of things that just didn't make sense. - Barfooz 08:29, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

(today's value: around 700,000,000 USD or 350,000,000 Euro) This just doesnt add up

I just checked and the current exchange rate is $1.28 for every Euro. So yeah not anywhere near a 2:1 ratio. I would fix this but don't know the correct values. --Petahhhh 23:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


Not a single citation - only one link ( to a report that seems either unavailable or untranslated, but there was a review of it - totally empty of content ).159.105.80.141 13:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC) The more I look the less I find. The Kaufmann report, thene Hoefle Report, etc all talk about rounding up Jews at best or trnaportation numbers - no smoking gun here. Is there some documentation on Operation Rienhard - it appears most people reading this are required to take a large leap of faith if they want to get into the spirit of the story. The opening sentence of the article says it all - starts with the required acceptance of the idea of code words ( that means no evidence that their even was a nefariuos Operation Reinhard ). Something this central to the holocaust must - has to - have more documentation than this.159.105.80.141 18:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The description of Heydrich's assassins as "Czech underground resistance" people is not quite correct. The assassins were Czech agents trained by the British SOE and infiltrated by them to kill Heydrich. The operation came from outside Czechoslovakia rather than planned inside. The local resistance, when contacted by the agents, tried to dissuade them from the action. Also I wish the "Reinhardt/Reinhard" thing could be settled. I have seen scans of original German documents on the Web, which call it "Reinhardt." If this is the correct spelling, and it seems to be, all Wiki references should be standardized as "Reinhardt." Shirokuma1 05:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Euthanasia?

The use of the term 'euthanasia killing centres' hardly seems appropriate? Maxplanar (talk) 18:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stolen?

"Approximately 178,045,960 German Reichsmark worth of Jewish property (today's value: around 700,000,000 USD or 550,000,000 euro) was stolen."

The wording on this sentence needs to be changed. For the taking of property to qualify as stealing, the act must be illegal. It's a sad fact that the taking of the property as well as the murders were sanctioned by the goverment. Because the property was taken legally, "stolen" should be replaced with a different world like "confiscated". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.206.173.116 (talk) 22:08, 17 May 2008 (UTC)