Talk:Operation Cobra

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Contents 1 Role of July 20th Plot vs. Hitler 2 Good job 3 Battle of the Hedgerows 4 Welsh soldiers in photo 5 Goodwood and command structure 6 St Lo 7 Incomplete sentence 8 Canadian units? 9 French units?

[edit] Role of July 20th Plot vs. Hitler

The allies were pinned in Normandy. Then, Hitler was injured, if lightly, in an assassination attempt. Then, the allies broke out of Normandy w/in a few days. The timing indicates a connection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.68.244 (talk) 14:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good job

I really like this article. Lots of detail. My only complaint is that it could use some images, like photos or especially diagrams like troop movement diagrams. Keep up the good work. Deco 22:25, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Take a look at the Deutsch page which achieved FA status, I pulled some maps from there, i'm sure we could use a lot more Pluke 22:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of the Hedgerows

Perhaps some mention of the particular problems that the invasion forces faced overcoming the hedged, rural terrain is deserved. The Wermacht's preparation in combination with the nature of the rural roads and thick vegetation slowed the Allied advance.

[edit] Welsh soldiers in photo

No offense intended, but why do we have a photo of British soldiers in an all-US operation? DMorpheus 14:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Operation Goodwood was a British operation and appears related to Operation Cobra. I'm sure that there are some copyright free photos available of US troops involved in Cobra. Perhaps air strike photos, etc. --TGC55 14:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goodwood and command structure

I've clarifed Goodwood's objectives and effects: everything I have read indicates that it was not a breakthrough attempt. Also, the article as it stood seemed to try to build a false opposition between American and Commonwealth forces. Montgomery was Bradley's commander, and they worked harmoniously on Cobra; their falling out was later. MAG1 17:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Many things I have read,including references we have discussed on other pages, paint a very different picture. Also, Bradley and Montgomery first came into conflict in Sicily, not after Normandy. Both were good enough soldiers not to let it break into open conflict until much later. I think the recent edits did harm to the article, and are very misleading. DMorpheus 15:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The objectives of Goodwood are inherently controversial (see the page), so perhaps this page should be neutral on them. As to the command structure, everything I have read says that Bradley (and Patton) and Montgomery behaved well to each other in Normandy: there were good communications, good support, and everyone was polite. (Something I have read went beyond this to say Montgomery was a coalition general who sacrificed the interests of his own army's troops for the greater good, though I am not saying this should go in.) If there is a verifiable source that says ssomething different, then that should go in; though I havn't found one. Relations between Montgomery and Eisenhower's staff were a different matter. MAG1 19:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] St Lo

how many casualties were there in taking this town? this to me is important as it is the centre of the fighting for the U.S and a primary objective for the break out

[edit] Incomplete sentence

This apparently incomplete sentence in the second section may need the attention of its original author: "A critical success factor for the Allies, once a landing had been successful, then building up their highly mechanized forces in the battle area faster than the Germans." Robert K S 05:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian units?

Currently, Canada is listed as a participant. Can someone help me out here by naming a Canadian unit that participated in Cobra? I don't know of one. Thanks. DMorpheus (talk) 17:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French units?

France is listed as a participant. The infobox shows a battle 'end date' of 7/31. The 2eme DB landed on Aug 1 and entered the line a few days later. Either the end date we have for Cobra is wrong or the 2eme DB was not a participant in this operation. I am unaware of any other major French unit in combat in France at the time. DMorpheus (talk) 17:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)